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Old 17th December 2011, 03:37 AM   #1
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Default ho can help me with this blade

ho can tel me the dapur and the pamor

thank you semar
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Old 18th December 2011, 09:09 AM   #2
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Hello Semar,
From the (very small) pictures, the ricikan appears to include a kembang kacang, jalen, lambe gajah, pejetan boto adeg (brick standing-up), and may be tingil. The dapur type does not match well with any Javanese established standard (sempaner but without tikel alis?)and the pamor style is not clear so I would estimate that this blade was made by a village smith or in a manufacturing center.
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Old 19th December 2011, 08:46 AM   #3
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thank you for you info Jean yes it is a rare blade


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Old 19th December 2011, 09:00 AM   #4
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This example may as well be of Cirebon tangguh (or Cirebonan/Pasundan). Pamor material also looks jawa pesisir
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Old 20th December 2011, 12:15 PM   #5
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hallo PenangsangII

I visit today to a fuwe peopel in yogya about the blade the say pajajaran
they agree with that but the dapur ????
so tomorrow I try to visit pa Eko mebay he wil know

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Old 20th December 2011, 09:22 PM   #6
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Are we playing the tangguh game AGAIN?

I really do wish that I was good enough to be able to give a supportable tangguh opinion from images on a computer screen.

Semar, tell me, what is the feeling of the pamor texture? Is it fairly coarse and rough, or would you say it has a smooth, almost greasy feel?

Is the blade relatively light, or does it feel relatively heavy?
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Old 21st December 2011, 02:26 AM   #7
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hallo mister Maisey

the blade feel light
en the textur of the pamor it feel smooth, almost greasy feel?



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Old 21st December 2011, 02:39 AM   #8
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If the texture is smooth, almost greasy, it is very probably classifiable as Gresik.

Gresik blades look like this one, and Gresik did a lot of copies of other, genuinely prestigious, tangguhs.

I doubt that we can dignify the dhapur with a recognizable name, the pamor is a random m'lumah, thus wos wutah is good enough.
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Old 21st December 2011, 03:32 AM   #9
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thank you mister maisey
I think too that i dont get a propper name of this dapur
yesterday I have a discusie aboud the dapur and some say kabo teki
and when you say thats not posibele you get the aswer thats the freedom of the empu the say to make like this so and of discusi I think

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Old 21st December 2011, 05:56 AM   #10
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Well I wouldn't call it kebo teki....
...why don't you give it a name semar...

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Old 21st December 2011, 06:00 AM   #11
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An Empu has no freedom, unless he has been directed by his lord to create a new dhapur for a specific purpose, then his freedom is limited to compliance with the wishes of his lord.

A pandai keris, or a tukang does have freedom, because they make blades which do not have the spiritual content of a blade made by an empu.

This blade is not a blade made by an empu.
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Old 21st December 2011, 09:26 AM   #12
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thats what I tel them but the javanees say
you can turn it how you like so better stop whit to look voor a answer

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Old 21st December 2011, 10:49 AM   #13
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Yes.

True.

Anybody can believe whatever they wish.

But belief does not reality make.
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