Keris info

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Sepang

hai Alamshah
i believe this kind of material is much older than surakarta era. even the curve of the blade is more majapahit era than mataram , the mataram era keris curve is much deeper than majapahit , so i think i'm agree is this is a majapahit era keris.
thanks.

Hi Sepang,
In terms of defining the tangguh, I would not know the difference between a majapahit era and a mataram era piece. If you know, kindly enlighthen us.
Thanks.

[jor-el]

Dear all,

i keep seeing the keris and other kerises with wos wutah pamor in this site and i find many differencies in patterns. Can anybody enlighten me about it?
For example the Javanese keris of Lei Shan Dao is quite different that the one i post here...

Sorry for my ignorance...
Themis

[Sepang]

to define tangguh keris , we need to know the material of the blade , what kind of iron, pamor works, peksi , and luk style

the luk of this keris isn't surakarta style , ..surakata style luk is much more wavy.

and the iron of this keris is more black ... , and the iron of surakarta keris is more grey.....

and the most important is ...most of the surakarta keris has tungkaan ..at the end of the ganja.


and this keris has kuku bima style kembang kacang. none of the surakarta keris is nggelung wayang.( curve )

in my opinion , this keris is made abt .. end of majapahit era , or early mataram , senopaten

[Alam Shah]

Dear Sepang,

My mistake... thanks for the update.

[Mans]

Hai dear all,

Trully so hard for me to give my opinion at this forum because my english not too good. But I'll trying to write it,

Here I posted my keris which I think can represent of each Tangguh (estimated period).

1. Keris Majapahit (13th-early 16th century)
2. Keris Mataram Senopaten (16th century)
3. Keris Mataram Sultan Agung (early period) (17th century)
4. Keris Mataram Sultan Agung (end period / Tundung Madiun) (late 17th century)
5. Keris Pengging (18th century)
6. Keris Mataram Surokarto (18th - 19th century)

Indeed that to know the Tangguh of keris is very difficult. We should often hold and see by our self of the keris. Also we can do considering of some keris. We can see that each keris has a different characteristics that can be used to estimated about the tangguh.

Perhaps my opinion can make some confused , but I hope it can be used for discussion in this threads and know more about the Keris, specificaly the Javanese Keris.

Regards,
Mans.

[jor-el]

Originally Posted by Mans

Hai dear all,

Trully so hard for me to give my opinion at this forum because my english not too good. But I'll trying to write it,

Here I posted my keris which I think can represent of each Tangguh (estimated period).

1. Keris Majapahit (13th-early 16th century)
2. Keris Mataram Senopaten (16th century)
3. Keris Mataram Sultan Agung (early period) (17th century)
4. Keris Mataram Sultan Agung (end period / Tundung Madiun) (late 17th century)
5. Keris Pengging (18th century)
6. Keris Mataram Surokarto (18th - 19th century)

Indeed that to know the Tangguh of keris is very difficult. We should often hold and see by our self of the keris. Also we can do considering of some keris. We can see that each keris has a different characteristics that can be used to estimated about the tangguh.

Perhaps my opinion can make some confused , but I hope it can be used for discussion in this threads and know more about the Keris, specificaly the Javanese Keris.

Regards,
Mans.

Dear Mans,

welcome to this keris talk. Which is your opinion for the pamor - dapour and rest of characteristics of the keris and which might be its spiritual power (related to the characteristics of course).

Best regards,

Themis

[Mans]

Originally Posted by jor-el

Dear Mans,

welcome to this keris talk. Which is your opinion for the pamor - dapour and rest of characteristics of the keris and which might be its spiritual power (related to the characteristics of course).

Best regards,

Themis

Indeed that the keris, specially the old keris has a spiritual power. But not all of keris. To know about the spiritual power, we should hold the keris, feel the energy and vibration of it, not just from pictures. Some people said that they can know about the energy of the keris from pictures. But I didn't think so, because the pictures bring no anything the energy of the object, can edited and can be not same with the object.

The Pamor is Wos Wutah (Strewn Rice), probably a name known to all those interested in keris. Not only for its beauty and good qualities, like another pamor, but also because of its great variety in motifs, which can easily confuse the name Beras (Wos) Wutah, when in doubt. Sometimes we can confused with pamor Pedharingan Kebak (fully of the blade) or Kulit Semongko (watermelon skin).
The Dapur called Kidang Soka.

I hope useful.
Mans.

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by jor-el

Dear all,
i keep seeing the keris and other kerises with wos wutah pamor in this site and i find many differencies in patterns. Can anybody enlighten me about it?
For example the Javanese keris of Lei Shan Dao is quite different that the one i post here...
Themis

Wos Wutah is the most common pamor pattern in Javanese keris and tombak. In Javanese, it literally means "scattered rice".

Just imagine if you throw rice on the floor. There will always be variations.
Likewise with keris pamor. Within this pamor formation, sometimes there are other 'hidden' patterns.

Hope this makes it clearer.