The traditional art of keris making

Pusaka · 15th December 2011, 11:49 AM

Also:

"Knowledge is the most basic is to be smart and know the type of steel used. Kris is a mixture of iron to make various types of kinds of fresh iron, steel and iron melela.

"For example, an iron nail is fresh, and spring saw the vehicle is steel, while steel melela is a combination of both types of iron may be, for example, windows home iron. Iron was incorporated and merged so compressed, that can be forged to form a kris, "he said.

Based on what we inherited from generation to generation to generation, tips on choosing Iron according to three basic types of these options must also be based on seven basic types of metal begins with the letter 'P', ie nails, umbrella, knife, nipple, fences, knives and forks.

Seven layers of solid iron combined will be forged and made in the book and the type of keris required.

EDIT> Another thing that some might find interesting is the mixture used to bring up the pamor. Usually people use arsenic however it is stated that pak Mazin uses a mixture of yellow sulphur, salt, vinegar and water. The keris is left in this mixture for one week to bring out the pamor.

Translated from
http://kerinchiarts.blogspot.com/201...zin-kuala.html

A. G. Maisey · 15th December 2011, 10:35 PM

When people talk about seven different kinds of metals, they are talking about seven different kinds of ferric material in other words seven different kinds of iron or steel or iron/steel alloy. Sometimes these different kinds of materials are not really different upon analysis, but rather have different sources or have been used for different original purposes.

I first used the Malay method to expose pamor when I was in my teens, more than 50 years ago, I think I found the recipe in Bastin, if not Bastin, it was another book written by an Englishman in Malaya in the 19th century. It called for sulphur, rice water, salt, and for the blade to be covered in this and to be wrapped in a banana leaf for a number of days. I used this method a few times, but then I discovered the arsenic method, and found it to be much more effective

PenangsangII · 16th December 2011, 12:41 PM

the problem with forging 7 metal alloy is that the keris as the finnished product without slorok or baja. The metals are forged together and the pattern welding will bring out unidentifiable pamor. Most often this type of keris is not tempered for not wanting to risk breakage of the layers

A. G. Maisey · 16th December 2011, 06:55 PM

Depends on construction.

It is possible to forge just the pamor from 7 different ferric materials --- or 107 if one wishes --- this then becomes pamor sanak, and you can still put in the slorok.

If you just forge the ferric materials together you get a kind of mechanical damascus, and how good it is depends on the materials and the heat treat.

Pusaka · 16th December 2011, 07:06 PM

Is anyone here familiar with the name of the 16 types of Iron and the colours/musical notes. Below is an example of what I am talking about.
The translation is not good but if you take the handle off your keris and flick the blade it will produce a sound. In ancient times they put the sounds produced into 16 categories with a sound and colour for each type of iron used.

1 Like the sound of buzzing bees, usually have the prestige of such a dagger curved or wavy, the name of the iron Coral Deer, quiet and patient benefits.
2 Guurrr ... The color green metallic iron. iron Karindu name Aji, the benefits to the authority, get rich quick and good position.
3 Bluish purple color Guunggg BSI, iron Walulin name, the benefits a healthy body, respected people, easy to solve the problem.
4 Duuungg ... clear blue color of the iron metal name Aji Windu, the benefits to safety.
5 Nonggg ... Color greenish yellow iron, iron Walangi name, the benefits are fluent in food and clothing, and good for career pengasihan savings and loans.
6 Preng ... Color bluish-white metal, iron Melelaruyun name, its benefits to kedigjayaan or strength.
7 Nong-Ngong .... Color jet black iron, iron Warani name, its benefits can reach a high degree, rich and always successful in running the government.
8 Color buzzing black metal moss, name Terate iron, the benefits to pengasihan
9 Tuuunggg .... The color of raw white iron, iron Malelagedaga name, patient benefits, and always pitied.
10 ... The color white Trungg raw iron, iron Kanthot name, its benefits for family peace.

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David · 16th December 2011, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pusaka

Is anyone here familiar with the name of the 16 types of Iron and the colours/musical notes. Below is an example of what I am talking about.
The translation is not good but if you take the handle off your keris and flick the blade it will produce a sound. In ancient times they put the sounds produced into 16 categories with a sound and colour for each type of iron used.

1 Like the sound of buzzing bees, usually have the prestige of such a dagger curved or wavy, the name of the iron Coral Deer, quiet and patient benefits.
2 Guurrr ... The color green metallic iron. iron Karindu name Aji, the benefits to the authority, get rich quick and good position.
3 Bluish purple color Guunggg BSI, iron Walulin name, the benefits a healthy body, respected people, easy to solve the problem.
4 Duuungg ... clear blue color of the iron metal name Aji Windu, the benefits to safety.
5 Nonggg ... Color greenish yellow iron, iron Walangi name, the benefits are fluent in food and clothing, and good for career pengasihan savings and loans.
6 Preng ... Color bluish-white metal, iron Melelaruyun name, its benefits to kedigjayaan or strength.
7 Nong-Ngong .... Color jet black iron, iron Warani name, its benefits can reach a high degree, rich and always successful in running the government.
8 Color buzzing black metal moss, name Terate iron, the benefits to pengasihan
9 Tuuunggg .... The color of raw white iron, iron Malelagedaga name, patient benefits, and always pitied.
10 ... The color white Trungg raw iron, iron Kanthot name, its benefits for family peace.

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This is an interesting topic for me Pusaka. I have always been drawn to blades that "sing" and i have been curious about how the tone of specific keris might apply to the quality of the blade.

Pusaka · 16th December 2011, 08:45 PM

The 16 names of the types of iron varies, here are two lists one with names and the other with the name of the iron followed by the sound it makes.

1 Ambal, 2 Balitung, 3 kamboja, 4 karang, 5 kijang, 6 katub, 7 kenur, 8malela, 9 mangangkang,10 pulasani, 11 terate, 12 tumbuk, 13 tumpang,
14 welangi, 15 werani, 16 winduaji

1 Karang kijang = like the sound of buzzing bees
2 Puraseni = Gurrr
3 Mangkang Laki Laki = Drung
4 Mangkang Perempuan = Like rubbing salt together
5 Walulin = Gung
6 Ktub = Kun
7 Kamboja = Hub
8 Ambal = Da
9 Windudi = Kha
10 Tumpang = Aba
11 Werani = Um
12 Welangi = Om
13 Tarte = Jan
14 Melelo = Za
15 Kenur = Mak
16 Palitung = Va

Would be intrested to know what info others have on this and alternative lists etc

15th December 2011, 11:49 AM	#1
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	Also: "Knowledge is the most basic is to be smart and know the type of steel used. Kris is a mixture of iron to make various types of kinds of fresh iron, steel and iron melela. "For example, an iron nail is fresh, and spring saw the vehicle is steel, while steel melela is a combination of both types of iron may be, for example, windows home iron. Iron was incorporated and merged so compressed, that can be forged to form a kris, "he said. Based on what we inherited from generation to generation to generation, tips on choosing Iron according to three basic types of these options must also be based on seven basic types of metal begins with the letter 'P', ie nails, umbrella, knife, nipple, fences, knives and forks. Seven layers of solid iron combined will be forged and made in the book and the type of keris required. EDIT> Another thing that some might find interesting is the mixture used to bring up the pamor. Usually people use arsenic however it is stated that pak Mazin uses a mixture of yellow sulphur, salt, vinegar and water. The keris is left in this mixture for one week to bring out the pamor. Translated from http://kerinchiarts.blogspot.com/201...zin-kuala.html Last edited by Pusaka; 15th December 2011 at 12:10 PM.

15th December 2011, 10:35 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,048	When people talk about seven different kinds of metals, they are talking about seven different kinds of ferric material in other words seven different kinds of iron or steel or iron/steel alloy. Sometimes these different kinds of materials are not really different upon analysis, but rather have different sources or have been used for different original purposes. I first used the Malay method to expose pamor when I was in my teens, more than 50 years ago, I think I found the recipe in Bastin, if not Bastin, it was another book written by an Englishman in Malaya in the 19th century. It called for sulphur, rice water, salt, and for the blade to be covered in this and to be wrapped in a banana leaf for a number of days. I used this method a few times, but then I discovered the arsenic method, and found it to be much more effective

16th December 2011, 12:41 PM	#3
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	the problem with forging 7 metal alloy is that the keris as the finnished product without slorok or baja. The metals are forged together and the pattern welding will bring out unidentifiable pamor. Most often this type of keris is not tempered for not wanting to risk breakage of the layers

16th December 2011, 06:55 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,048	Depends on construction. It is possible to forge just the pamor from 7 different ferric materials --- or 107 if one wishes --- this then becomes pamor sanak, and you can still put in the slorok. If you just forge the ferric materials together you get a kind of mechanical damascus, and how good it is depends on the materials and the heat treat.

16th December 2011, 07:06 PM	#5
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	Is anyone here familiar with the name of the 16 types of Iron and the colours/musical notes. Below is an example of what I am talking about. The translation is not good but if you take the handle off your keris and flick the blade it will produce a sound. In ancient times they put the sounds produced into 16 categories with a sound and colour for each type of iron used. 1 Like the sound of buzzing bees, usually have the prestige of such a dagger curved or wavy, the name of the iron Coral Deer, quiet and patient benefits. 2 Guurrr ... The color green metallic iron. iron Karindu name Aji, the benefits to the authority, get rich quick and good position. 3 Bluish purple color Guunggg BSI, iron Walulin name, the benefits a healthy body, respected people, easy to solve the problem. 4 Duuungg ... clear blue color of the iron metal name Aji Windu, the benefits to safety. 5 Nonggg ... Color greenish yellow iron, iron Walangi name, the benefits are fluent in food and clothing, and good for career pengasihan savings and loans. 6 Preng ... Color bluish-white metal, iron Melelaruyun name, its benefits to kedigjayaan or strength. 7 Nong-Ngong .... Color jet black iron, iron Warani name, its benefits can reach a high degree, rich and always successful in running the government. 8 Color buzzing black metal moss, name Terate iron, the benefits to pengasihan 9 Tuuunggg .... The color of raw white iron, iron Malelagedaga name, patient benefits, and always pitied. 10 ... The color white Trungg raw iron, iron Kanthot name, its benefits for family peace. http://artikel.idris-nawawi.com/?p=85

16th December 2011, 08:45 PM	#7
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	The 16 names of the types of iron varies, here are two lists one with names and the other with the name of the iron followed by the sound it makes. 1 Ambal, 2 Balitung, 3 kamboja, 4 karang, 5 kijang, 6 katub, 7 kenur, 8malela, 9 mangangkang,10 pulasani, 11 terate, 12 tumbuk, 13 tumpang, 14 welangi, 15 werani, 16 winduaji 1 Karang kijang = like the sound of buzzing bees 2 Puraseni = Gurrr 3 Mangkang Laki Laki = Drung 4 Mangkang Perempuan = Like rubbing salt together 5 Walulin = Gung 6 Ktub = Kun 7 Kamboja = Hub 8 Ambal = Da 9 Windudi = Kha 10 Tumpang = Aba 11 Werani = Um 12 Welangi = Om 13 Tarte = Jan 14 Melelo = Za 15 Kenur = Mak 16 Palitung = Va Would be intrested to know what info others have on this and alternative lists etc