Translation request - Ottoman knife (or Arabic?)

Tatyana Dianova · 7th December 2011, 08:29 AM

Since there is still no answer from the real experts, I will try to play one

The straight blade, small ears and the niello decoration are typical for the early yataghans from the 18th century. You may find similar examples in the Astvatsaturyn's book.
I have also a similar one, which bears the date 1182 (1768) on the both sides. Please notice a top quality hamon (bright and having a uniform width), which you may expect from a Japanese master smith

j118 · 11th December 2011, 02:53 AM

Thanks for the comparison, that is very cool.
Yours look very similar to mine, but a couple steps up in quality and condition

Thanks to everyone for providing such wonderful information!
if anyone else has anything to add I am all ears

junker · 26th December 2011, 06:05 PM

Hi,

i got an translation request also.
But, well, it is no weapon but a copper pot which came with one last year

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I might understand that the left signs are a date, which should be around 1700. The others i couldnt identify at all.
It also seams that the signs might come from two different persons.

I would make a guess, that it comes from the Turk persian site

Any idea is welcome.

best regards
Dirk

Dom · 26th December 2011, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by junker

I would make a guess, that it comes from the Turk persian site

Hi Dirk
It seem that, you are correct ... should be Turkish, at least due to the mention
it's only a name and a military title ... all are Turkish

your feeling that may be, the sentence was done by two writers has a sense
the last part of the name "Hussein" and, the title "Aghra" are lightly different,
but the date it's absolutely strange, as some one, mixed both writing occidental, and Arabic ??

any way, here what we read

SANA either DATE ... then ... 115(4?) either 1741 (?) or 155(9?) either 1745 (?)
MOHAMED BOUHRERIYA ORLO GHELMEDAR HUSSEIN AGHRA

those names have to receive the approbation of Zifir, but I think so that I'm not too far

à +

Dom

junker · 28th December 2011, 01:15 PM

Hi Dom,

Thank you very much.
So if it is a military title it may made sense that it came with a pistol.
But this was a cheap copy which i have no longer.

all the best

Dirk

7th December 2011, 08:29 AM	#1
Tatyana Dianova Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 735	Since there is still no answer from the real experts, I will try to play one The straight blade, small ears and the niello decoration are typical for the early yataghans from the 18th century. You may find similar examples in the Astvatsaturyn's book. I have also a similar one, which bears the date 1182 (1768) on the both sides. Please notice a top quality hamon (bright and having a uniform width), which you may expect from a Japanese master smith Attached Images

11th December 2011, 02:53 AM	#2
j118 Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 6	very similar Thanks for the comparison, that is very cool. Yours look very similar to mine, but a couple steps up in quality and condition Thanks to everyone for providing such wonderful information! if anyone else has anything to add I am all ears

26th December 2011, 06:05 PM	#3
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	translation request 2 Hi, i got an translation request also. But, well, it is no weapon but a copper pot which came with one last year . I might understand that the left signs are a date, which should be around 1700. The others i couldnt identify at all. It also seams that the signs might come from two different persons. I would make a guess, that it comes from the Turk persian site Any idea is welcome. best regards Dirk Attached Images

28th December 2011, 01:15 PM	#5
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	Hi Dom, Thank you very much. So if it is a military title it may made sense that it came with a pistol. But this was a cheap copy which i have no longer. all the best Dirk