Talismanic symbols on moro kris blades gallery!

Spunjer · 3rd December 2011, 01:35 PM

Maurice, can you provide some photos of the scabbard? i notice the mark "XIIX". are there any more marks???

VVV · 3rd December 2011, 08:22 PM

No, that is the only mark. ;-)

Michael

Spunjer · 11th November 2012, 09:14 PM

some more talismanic inlaid krises. enjoy!

Spunjer · 11th November 2012, 09:19 PM

the robotic kris, and another one:

Spunjer · 11th November 2012, 09:46 PM

i swear the kamagong ball pommel reminds me of an opium poppy. also, i might as well add the Sultan kris since i believe the mark on the blade could be considered as talismanic. and finally, a group picture...

Battara · 12th November 2012, 02:44 AM

Great examples Ron! You have been a busy boy!

I like that centipede type animal on one of those blades.

Would you post a picture of the whole sultan's piece please?

VANDOO · 12th November 2012, 03:00 AM

QUITE A NICE SELECTION.

ARE THEY ALL FROM THE SAME MORO GROUP ,AND IF SO CAN WE ASSUME THAT GROUP USED TALSMANIC SYMBOLS ON THEIR BLADES MORE THAN OTHER GROUPS.?
I WONDER IF THE DESIGN I THINK OF AS A CENTEPEDE SUCH AS THE ONE ON YOUR BLADE IS THE SAME DESIGN AS THE ONE ON WHAT YOU REFER TO AS THE ROBOTIC KRIS. THE INLAYED STAR SHAPES REPRESENTING THE LEGS AND THE DESIGN AT THE END REPRESENTING THE HEAD AS IT IS SIMULAR TO THE CENTEPEDE HEAD ON THE OTHER DESIGN.
HERE ARE 3 EXAMPLES THAT MAY REPRESENT THE SAME CREATURE BUT IN 3 DIFFERENT WAYS ONLY ONE CLEARLY REPRESENTED AS A CREATURE WITH MANY LEGS AND A HEAD AND MOUTH. THE OTHER TWO PERHAPS IN THE ABSTRACT AS IS MORE COMMON TO ISLAM. WHAT DO YOU THINK.?

Spunjer · 12th November 2012, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

QUITE A NICE SELECTION.

ARE THEY ALL FROM THE SAME MORO GROUP ,AND IF SO CAN WE ASSUME THAT GROUP USED TALSMANIC SYMBOLS ON THEIR BLADES MORE THAN OTHER GROUPS.?

they belong from various ethnic groups. as far as the assumption that a particular tribe used more talismanic symbols than the other ones; it's impossible to tell, but as far as belief in the metaphysical, i would say they are all pretty even. this belief extends to the christian neighbors as well.

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

I WONDER IF THE DESIGN I THINK OF AS A CENTEPEDE SUCH AS THE ONE ON YOUR BLADE IS THE SAME DESIGN AS THE ONE ON WHAT YOU REFER TO AS THE ROBOTIC KRIS. THE INLAYED STAR SHAPES REPRESENTING THE LEGS AND THE DESIGN AT THE END REPRESENTING THE HEAD AS IT IS SIMULAR TO THE CENTEPEDE HEAD ON THE OTHER DESIGN.
HERE ARE 3 EXAMPLES THAT MAY REPRESENT THE SAME CREATURE BUT IN 3 DIFFERENT WAYS ONLY ONE CLEARLY REPRESENTED AS A CREATURE WITH MANY LEGS AND A HEAD AND MOUTH. THE OTHER TWO PERHAPS IN THE ABSTRACT AS IS MORE COMMON TO ISLAM. WHAT DO YOU THINK.?

i think the stars appearing as legs could have just been a coincidence, barry. i have seen these two designs as separate entities. although the "Audi" pattern would be a good candidate for a more an even more abstract form of the Naga.

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Originally Posted by Battara

Would you post a picture of the whole sultan's piece please?

here it is Jose, i posted this i believe about a year ago.

3rd December 2011, 08:22 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	No, that is the only mark. ;-) Michael Attached Images

11th November 2012, 09:14 PM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	some more talismanic inlaid krises. enjoy! Attached Images

11th November 2012, 09:19 PM	#4
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	the robotic kris, and another one: Attached Images

11th November 2012, 09:46 PM	#5
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	i swear the kamagong ball pommel reminds me of an opium poppy. also, i might as well add the Sultan kris since i believe the mark on the blade could be considered as talismanic. and finally, a group picture... Attached Images

12th November 2012, 03:00 AM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	QUITE A NICE SELECTION. ARE THEY ALL FROM THE SAME MORO GROUP ,AND IF SO CAN WE ASSUME THAT GROUP USED TALSMANIC SYMBOLS ON THEIR BLADES MORE THAN OTHER GROUPS.? I WONDER IF THE DESIGN I THINK OF AS A CENTEPEDE SUCH AS THE ONE ON YOUR BLADE IS THE SAME DESIGN AS THE ONE ON WHAT YOU REFER TO AS THE ROBOTIC KRIS. THE INLAYED STAR SHAPES REPRESENTING THE LEGS AND THE DESIGN AT THE END REPRESENTING THE HEAD AS IT IS SIMULAR TO THE CENTEPEDE HEAD ON THE OTHER DESIGN. HERE ARE 3 EXAMPLES THAT MAY REPRESENT THE SAME CREATURE BUT IN 3 DIFFERENT WAYS ONLY ONE CLEARLY REPRESENTED AS A CREATURE WITH MANY LEGS AND A HEAD AND MOUTH. THE OTHER TWO PERHAPS IN THE ABSTRACT AS IS MORE COMMON TO ISLAM. WHAT DO YOU THINK.? Attached Images

3rd December 2011, 01:35 PM	#1
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	Maurice, can you provide some photos of the scabbard? i notice the mark "XIIX". are there any more marks???

12th November 2012, 02:44 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Great examples Ron! You have been a busy boy! I like that centipede type animal on one of those blades. Would you post a picture of the whole sultan's piece please?