Old Balinese Cock Fighting Knives For Comment

Andrew · 7th August 2005, 02:34 AM

Great discussion, guys.

Just an observation: this, like bullfighting, is a topic that can quickly become contentious and bitter. Let's please continue to keep this thread civil. Thanks.

ariel · 7th August 2005, 03:16 AM

Andrew, I hear you.
Nevertheless, with all due respect to our Iberian colleagues, bullfighting is an exact equivalent of cock fighting and dog fighting only a less fair one: at least the former is a "dog against a dog". Pitting a man against a bull ? The fairness of it can be measured in the proportion of dead bulls vs. dead matadors: the creature's chance would be better if it had metastatic cancer. I've absolutely refused to accept an invitation to a bull fight when I was in Spain. Call it squeamishness, but I just cannot stand the idea.
In Portugal, interestingly, they have bullfights without killing the bull. That is truly sporting: only the willing human takes a chance, but the bull is safe.
I am not a vocal opponent of any animal fights, fox hunting or just hunting; having done my share of hunting in the distant past, I have decided that if I wanted a steak, I could get it in the supermarket instead of being a volunteer butcher. And if I am not going to eat the creature, I have no business killing it.

fearn · 7th August 2005, 05:21 AM

You're certainly right Andrew.

Perhaps we should add cricket fighting to the list.

I don't think that anyone here objects to insects chewing each other up....?

Getting back to the subject at hand, those are interesting cockfighting knives. I, for one, am surprised that they have smooth tangs. In my ignorance, I would have thought that they would be bent or something so that they could be fastened more securely.

Fearn

zamboanga · 7th August 2005, 10:05 AM

Here's one from the local news: http://www.zamboanga.com/news/Z-NEWS...lls_cocker.htm

Cockfighting is the national past time in the Philippines. When the word "cockpit" is mentioned it has nothing to do with a jet airplane. And which Philippine city has the most number of cockpits? Zamboanga!

Some cockfighting facts:

The fighting-cock almost became the American national emblem. It lost by one vote to the American eagle.

Some famous cockfighting afficionados: Julius Caesar, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln (was a cockfighting referee).

Tim Simmons · 7th August 2005, 11:02 AM

Does anyone have pictures of an armed bird? To me it looks as if a blade is lashed to each talon? Slashed to death at the balls

Tim

Spunjer · 7th August 2005, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Cockfighting is the national past time in the Philippines...

you got that right! not just in the Philippines, but wherever there's a filipino community, or any town that has at least three filipinos

tim,
the cock's natural spurs are trimmed and only one 'slasher' is tied on each gamecock. see zamboanga's picture...

Rivkin · 7th August 2005, 05:32 PM

Sorry guys, just wanted to voice my opposition to bullfights - never I seen a sport more cowardly. Bulls are clearly disoriented. They are peckled with darts by guys who readily jump behind huge wooden shields, if the bull is to even look in their direction. In the end some guy with a sword comes to the arena, at this point the bull is tired, slow and bleeding. The great achievement of this person (torero I presume ?) is to trick this bull into launching couple of times against the famed red cloth.

In short I would much rather see gladiatorial games (I have nothing against willing individuals killing each other in the ring), than this theatrical version of a butcher shop.

7th August 2005, 10:05 AM	#4
zamboanga Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: zamboanga city, philippines Posts: 132	Those blades can kill! Here's one from the local news: http://www.zamboanga.com/news/Z-NEWS...lls_cocker.htm Cockfighting is the national past time in the Philippines. When the word "cockpit" is mentioned it has nothing to do with a jet airplane. And which Philippine city has the most number of cockpits? Zamboanga! Some cockfighting facts: The fighting-cock almost became the American national emblem. It lost by one vote to the American eagle. Some famous cockfighting afficionados: Julius Caesar, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln (was a cockfighting referee). Attached Images

7th August 2005, 02:34 AM	#1
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Great discussion, guys. Just an observation: this, like bullfighting, is a topic that can quickly become contentious and bitter. Let's please continue to keep this thread civil. Thanks.

7th August 2005, 03:16 AM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Andrew, I hear you. Nevertheless, with all due respect to our Iberian colleagues, bullfighting is an exact equivalent of cock fighting and dog fighting only a less fair one: at least the former is a "dog against a dog". Pitting a man against a bull ? The fairness of it can be measured in the proportion of dead bulls vs. dead matadors: the creature's chance would be better if it had metastatic cancer. I've absolutely refused to accept an invitation to a bull fight when I was in Spain. Call it squeamishness, but I just cannot stand the idea. In Portugal, interestingly, they have bullfights without killing the bull. That is truly sporting: only the willing human takes a chance, but the bull is safe. I am not a vocal opponent of any animal fights, fox hunting or just hunting; having done my share of hunting in the distant past, I have decided that if I wanted a steak, I could get it in the supermarket instead of being a volunteer butcher. And if I am not going to eat the creature, I have no business killing it.

7th August 2005, 05:21 AM	#3
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	You're certainly right Andrew. Perhaps we should add cricket fighting to the list. I don't think that anyone here objects to insects chewing each other up....? Getting back to the subject at hand, those are interesting cockfighting knives. I, for one, am surprised that they have smooth tangs. In my ignorance, I would have thought that they would be bent or something so that they could be fastened more securely. Fearn

7th August 2005, 11:02 AM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	Does anyone have pictures of an armed bird? To me it looks as if a blade is lashed to each talon? Slashed to death at the balls Tim

7th August 2005, 05:32 PM	#7
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Sorry guys, just wanted to voice my opposition to bullfights - never I seen a sport more cowardly. Bulls are clearly disoriented. They are peckled with darts by guys who readily jump behind huge wooden shields, if the bull is to even look in their direction. In the end some guy with a sword comes to the arena, at this point the bull is tired, slow and bleeding. The great achievement of this person (torero I presume ?) is to trick this bull into launching couple of times against the famed red cloth. In short I would much rather see gladiatorial games (I have nothing against willing individuals killing each other in the ring), than this theatrical version of a butcher shop.