MINIATURE KNIVES/TRAVELLERS SAMPLES FOR COMMENT

[spiral]

I hope I am wrong stu, but arent these modern Pakistani or Indian items?

There larger brothers of identical workmanship I always dismiss as fakes when they turn up in English auctions ovrr the last 20 yrars or so.

Perhaps I am mistaken? Not realy my field but just my obsevation of materials,workmanship & style.

Spiral

[kahnjar1]

Originally Posted by spiral

I hope I am wrong stu, but arent these modern Pakistani or Indian items?

There larger brothers of identical workmanship I always dismiss as fakes when they turn up in English auctions ovrr the last 20 yrars or so.

Perhaps I am mistaken? Not realy my field but just my obsevation of materials,workmanship & style.

Spiral

Possible, but they appear of much better quality than those in advert herewith, which was kindly sent to me by Gene (Atlantia). All I can say is that the Gentleman who had them for "many years", had always believed that they were travellers samples.

[spiral]

Interesting, ive never seen ones like Genes shown you in what I guess is a world wide arms catalouge? {I wonder how many dealers on this forum have flogged..... woops I better not say that..... might upset far to many people.}

But I have seen dozens of larger versians of what look like identical pieces to your minatue examples. look at the rivets, the poor shape of blades, course camel or buffalo bone grips, crude semi Persian revival carving etc.

Belief is a powerfull thing, its probably been responsible for more problems & death in the world than even greed has.

But we all our own.....right or wrong. even me.....

I realy dont know with definity about these, but know how they look to me.But thats just my belief so it could be wrong.

Spiral

[kahnjar1]

Originally Posted by spiral

Interesting, ive never seen ones like Genes shown you in what I guess is a world wide arms catalouge? {I wonder how many dealers on this forum have flogged..... woops I better not say that..... might upset far to many people.}

But I have seen dozens of larger versians of what look like identical pieces to your minatue examples. look at the rivets, the poor shape of blades, course camel or buffalo bone grips, crude semi Persian revival carving etc.

Belief is a powerfull thing, its probably been responsible for more problems & death in the world than even greed has.

But we all our own.....right or wrong. even me.....

I realy dont know with definity about these, but know how they look to me.But thats just my belief so it could be wrong.

Spiral

Yes WWA from a 2001 issue I believe. I personally don't have a clue on the ones I have , and I should add, on behalf of, so am really trying to get some "accurate" information for the owner.
Stu

[Lew]

Hi Stu

Honestly these mini knives are nice but they look too fresh to me to be older than the later half of the 20th century. I figure 1985-2000. There is no oxidation present on the blades the bone looks freshly cut. They are just a good quality modern set of mini knives to me.

[kahnjar1]

Originally Posted by Lew

Hi Stu

Honestly these mini knives are nice but they look too fresh to me to be older than the later half of the 20th century. I figure 1985-2000. There is no oxidation present on the blades the bone looks freshly cut. They are just a good quality modern set of mini knives to me.

Hi Lew,
The flash has made the bone look quite clean but in fact it is ingrained with dirt/colouration. The blades have been cleaned as is often the case when non collectors own them, so any patina which should be there is gone. The family from which they came has (according to them) owned them since the 1950s and they say they were not new then. Can only go with the provenance given.
Stu

[Jim McDougall]

Hi Stu,
Facinating topic!!! I think the guy to find on this subject is Roger Evans ("The Plug Bayonet", R.D.C.Evans).
Years ago he was THE authority on bayonets and wrote the column "Cold Steel" in several magazines on arms I believe. I recall he sold off all his bayonets and went into the study of miniature weapons, and I recall thinking how wonderfully bizarre and esoteric!!!!
He must have written something on them by now.

All the best,
Jim