Translation request - Ottoman knife (or Arabic?)

j118 · 18th November 2011, 01:50 AM

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but all curves making the "tughra" it's a complement part of the name ... but indecipherable

I can post a close up of the Tugrah if it is any help.

Thanks! So far that is far more than I knew before.

Zifir · 19th November 2011, 07:19 PM

Hi,
the reading of the tuğra is as follows:
Amel-i Muharrem, sahib Molla Muhammed
work of Muharrem, owner Molla Muhammed

The language of the inscription is Turkish, if you can provide partial pictures like the one of tuğra, it will make it much easier for me to read it.

Best,

j118 · 20th November 2011, 11:18 PM

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if you can provide partial pictures like the one of tuğra, it will make it much easier for me to read it.

Sure, hope these help!
I little our of order, I think it made the last piece first, but the others should be in order down the blade.

-J

j118 · 20th November 2011, 11:20 PM

and side 2, same as above...
again, cant seem to get the editor to take them in order, sorry about that.
this one is in the order 6,5,4,3,2,7,1

Zifir · 2nd December 2011, 06:45 PM

Sorry for responding late to this thread, but the reflections on the blade as well as erased parts made it quite difficult to read it. I only read one side and I am still trying to figure out the other.

To pick up where Dom left:

sine-i 'adaya yarıp bu hançeri kıl nişan
sahibi daim muzaffer eyle olsun alişan

Let this knife be a sign on the bossom of the enemy
Let its owner be glorious and high in fame

j118 · 3rd December 2011, 01:15 AM

Wow,
that is amazing, Thank you so much.

Does anyone one here have any idea of the date? is there a stylistic clue to it or something? It came from an estate with many 17th and 18th century item...so I was told.

Tatyana Dianova · 7th December 2011, 08:29 AM

Since there is still no answer from the real experts, I will try to play one

The straight blade, small ears and the niello decoration are typical for the early yataghans from the 18th century. You may find similar examples in the Astvatsaturyn's book.
I have also a similar one, which bears the date 1182 (1768) on the both sides. Please notice a top quality hamon (bright and having a uniform width), which you may expect from a Japanese master smith

j118 · 11th December 2011, 02:53 AM

Thanks for the comparison, that is very cool.
Yours look very similar to mine, but a couple steps up in quality and condition

Thanks to everyone for providing such wonderful information!
if anyone else has anything to add I am all ears

20th November 2011, 11:20 PM	#4
j118 Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 6	and side 2, same as above... again, cant seem to get the editor to take them in order, sorry about that. this one is in the order 6,5,4,3,2,7,1 Attached Images

2nd December 2011, 06:45 PM	#5
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Sorry for responding late to this thread, but the reflections on the blade as well as erased parts made it quite difficult to read it. I only read one side and I am still trying to figure out the other. To pick up where Dom left: sine-i 'adaya yarıp bu hançeri kıl nişan sahibi daim muzaffer eyle olsun alişan Let this knife be a sign on the bossom of the enemy Let its owner be glorious and high in fame Attached Images Last edited by Zifir; 3rd December 2011 at 05:27 PM.

7th December 2011, 08:29 AM	#7
Tatyana Dianova Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 737	Since there is still no answer from the real experts, I will try to play one The straight blade, small ears and the niello decoration are typical for the early yataghans from the 18th century. You may find similar examples in the Astvatsaturyn's book. I have also a similar one, which bears the date 1182 (1768) on the both sides. Please notice a top quality hamon (bright and having a uniform width), which you may expect from a Japanese master smith Attached Images

11th December 2011, 02:53 AM	#8
j118 Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 6	very similar Thanks for the comparison, that is very cool. Yours look very similar to mine, but a couple steps up in quality and condition Thanks to everyone for providing such wonderful information! if anyone else has anything to add I am all ears

19th November 2011, 07:19 PM	#2
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Hi, the reading of the tuğra is as follows: Amel-i Muharrem, sahib Molla Muhammed work of Muharrem, owner Molla Muhammed The language of the inscription is Turkish, if you can provide partial pictures like the one of tuğra, it will make it much easier for me to read it. Best,

3rd December 2011, 01:15 AM	#6
j118 Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 6	Wow, that is amazing, Thank you so much. Does anyone one here have any idea of the date? is there a stylistic clue to it or something? It came from an estate with many 17th and 18th century item...so I was told.