Translation request - Ottoman knife (or Arabic?)

[Dom]

Originally Posted by j118

Hi everyone,
I am totally new here, I have read the FAQ and stickies, however please correct me if I mispost.

Hi j118
you arrived at the right place, for the right purpose

your edged weapons is an yatagan Ottoman, with an handle "ears" or "butterfly"
the script, excepted if Quranic, should be in turkish, especially that there is a tughra
with the tughra, you might expect evaluated the age of your yatagan
http://www.tugra.org/en/tugralar.asp
tomorrow (p.m.), I shall see if is in Turkish, or in Arabic, and I will tell you

all the best

à +

Dom

[Dom]

Originally Posted by Dom

tomorrow (p.m.), I shall see if is in Turkish, or in Arabic, and I will tell you

... here we are
my fears were justified ... all is written in turkish language (a priori)
just a few words emerged in Arabic, but very few
my translator does not know the Turkish, only Arabic language, sorry

AMAL ASME (?) either "MADE BY ASME" (? because it's an unknown surname for us, translation under reserve ... )

the "tughra":
in his center possible to read "MOHAMED"
but all curves making the "tughra" it's a complement part of the name ... but indecipherable

after the "tughra", we read
"IBN SALT" either "SON OF SALT" (again a surname unknown for us)
then the rest of the sentence, it's not written in arabic

à +

Dom

[j118]

but all curves making the "tughra" it's a complement part of the name ... but indecipherable

I can post a close up of the Tugrah if it is any help.

Thanks! So far that is far more than I knew before.

[Zifir]

Hi,
the reading of the tuğra is as follows:
Amel-i Muharrem, sahib Molla Muhammed
work of Muharrem, owner Molla Muhammed

The language of the inscription is Turkish, if you can provide partial pictures like the one of tuğra, it will make it much easier for me to read it.

Best,

[j118]

if you can provide partial pictures like the one of tuğra, it will make it much easier for me to read it.

Sure, hope these help!
I little our of order, I think it made the last piece first, but the others should be in order down the blade.

-J

[j118]

and side 2, same as above...
again, cant seem to get the editor to take them in order, sorry about that.
this one is in the order 6,5,4,3,2,7,1

[Zifir]

Sorry for responding late to this thread, but the reflections on the blade as well as erased parts made it quite difficult to read it. I only read one side and I am still trying to figure out the other.

To pick up where Dom left:

sine-i 'adaya yarıp bu hançeri kıl nişan
sahibi daim muzaffer eyle olsun alişan

Let this knife be a sign on the bossom of the enemy
Let its owner be glorious and high in fame

[j118]

Wow,
that is amazing, Thank you so much.

Does anyone one here have any idea of the date? is there a stylistic clue to it or something? It came from an estate with many 17th and 18th century item...so I was told.