Tenggerese Keris

[David]

Originally Posted by Jussi M.

Maybe they do not show their kerises in public?

I suppose that is possible, but it seems counter to what we know about every other keris bearing culture. Surely, if not in regular day-to-day life, one would expect to see a keris in a ritual or ceremonial context.

[Pusaka]

Do the Tenggerese people have Silat, if so must be a very old style. Maybe the first question would be to ask them if they have Silat, if they say yes then ask them what weapons do they use/have

[VVV]

I once went through Hefner's Hindu Javanese. Tengger Tradition and Islam to find anything about the keris. The closest was on page 147 were Hefner compares a prayer in Tugel, the Tengger haircutting ceremony, as if forging [the pamor] of a javanese dagger with mixed metal. But to my disappointment there was no mentioning of any Tengger keris...

Michael

[Jussi M.]

Originally Posted by David

I suppose that is possible, but it seems counter to what we know about every other keris bearing culture. Surely, if not in regular day-to-day life, one would expect to see a keris in a ritual or ceremonial context.

Yeah, it is unlikely but either it is that or they do not have keris culture as we have learnt to know it. - Or maybe we just do not have enough material to draw conclusions from?

[PenangsangII]

why not look at Palembang kerises pre Sultan Agung period for the closest similarity with Majapahit kerises? And as for keris culture closest to Majapahit ahkir era, we can look to Kelantan, malaysia - once considered West Majapahit or Majapahit II. Keris culture in Malay populated areas have not evolved as much as in Jawa land

[A. G. Maisey]

For an understanding of what the Majapahit "empire" was really like, I most strongly suggest a reading of all five volumes of Pigeaud's
"Java in the Fourteenth Century" .

This may seem like a cyptic remark, but to provide a fuller explanation, beginning from the base we have here, would take me far too long, use too much Forum space, and undoubtedly be off topic.

The keris as it is known now simply did not exist during Majapahit. What we see now is the result of 500 years of cultural development. A probable representation of a Majapahit keris style is shown in the Panataran reliefs, and it looks remarkably like a present day bugis keris, including the scabbard.

The Brahmana, K'satriya, and Wesia of Bali consider themselves to be "wong Maospait" = "people of Majapahit" . The Balinese keris is very probably a good representation of the keris of Majapahit, as it was circa 1468, however, the earlier keris would probably have been a little smaller than the later Balinese keris became.

Different styles clearly existed, and were probably associated with different levels of society. The "keris" of the common people was probably known as the "tuhuk" (tuhuk = tewek) (see ying yai sheng lan "pulak" ), whilst the kerises of others levels in society bore different names.This "keris" of the common people may not have even been recognizable as something that we would call a "keris" today.

As for the Tenggerese and keris, these people supposedly descended from Majapahit royalty. Maybe. Or maybe its just a creation myth. In any case, they settled on the slopes of Bromo and formed a remote community. Farmers, not traders. Material for weapon manufacture would have been a problem for them, I feel that any iron that they had available would have been used for tools, rather than weapons, and at the time they settled, the keris had not yet developed its character as a cultural icon, it was still very much associated with the elites. Bearing in mind the social and cultural factors at play here, it does not surprise me in even the slightest degree that the keris is not prominent in Tenggerese society.

In fact, after the collapse of Majapahit, little groups of Hindu-Buddhist people from Majapahit isolated themselves in remote areas all over East Jawa. Certainly, some went to Bali, but not all did. Demak conducted conversion at the point of sword, and all other Islamic kingdoms which followed Demak did the same, right through to Amangkurat. Blambangan was the longest big hold out, but the small, remote settlements were pretty much left alone. If the Islamic troops put in an appearance, the villagers just melted into the mountains and disappeared until the Muslims got sick of looking for them, and went home. One such remote settlement was above Songgoriti , in the hills behind Batu, above Malang in East Jawa. Until today the remnants of the original refugees who fled from Islamic conversion live in this area. They have assimilated with later Muslim arrivals in the area, but they preserve the memory of their inheritance, and this is acknowledged by all who live in the area. They were the original elites of this area.

If anybody has any real desire to learn anything at all about the keris, that person needs to stop reading about keris and weaponry and commence a very diverse study program that encompasses many subjects which are "off topic" for keris discussion.

[Sajen]

I have been in this region 1992 to visit the Mt. Bromo. I haven't seen not one keris.

[kapten_windu]

Originally Posted by Sajen

I have been in this region 1992 to visit the Mt. Bromo. I haven't seen not one keris.

I've never seen People in Tengger wear Keris, but i ever see on TV that they have a sacred Tombak that placed in rolled white cloth..

[tunggulametung]

Thank you all for sharing your knowledge & ideas. I would imagine such a mountainous & strategic area was once an important religious destination during East Javanese Hindu kingdoms but also perhaps it has something to do with the last stage of life in catur asrama. Surely not enough material to draw any conclusions so far Thanks again