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Once again, I'm amazed at your resources, Fernando. That description does seem to leave alittle room for a rounded bar. Now that I know the term 'palanqueta', I will try to do some research.
Here's a real one (sorry, Moderators, couldn't download pics from this closed auction). Square barred, but at least it has the full round balls- http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bar-Shot-Can...-/300601305058 |
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Pulling all the stops here, gentlemen. From much research over the years, I did turn up this interesting site. Note the cannonball with the raised area where once a round bar might have been before it was cut down? (It's the 15th item down). That's what the site says and mentions Keeler Tavern with the same type of cannonball embedded in it (funny, the pic doen't seem to support it, but anyway, take a look...
www.minutemantreasures.com/5139/11401.html http://keelertavernmuseum.org/keeler...ome/battle.php |
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Did you know tat barshot was also called "angels" ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cannon_bullets.png http://www.americanrevolution.org/artillery.html Here's a picture of various "multi use" shot, this time from George C. Neumann's Illustrated Encyclopedia (Page 12). Some of them have round connections. . |
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AWESOME!!! Finally, a nod if not absolute proof that these things came in all shapes and sizes. I have several of Neumann'sa books, but none with this illustration. Thank you, my friend!! I'm really attached to these types of specialized naval shot. Yes, I had heard them called 'angels', while the round bar with the flaired ends have another name that slips my mind at the present. Here's one recovered from a military site-
http://images.ourontario.ca/niagarah...1/image/176968 One of this type was on the Pass Cavallo shipwreck in TX and thus, some believe this type of shot was popular with Spahish ships. This opinion was seconded on another site concerning another wreck. |
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Speaking of shipwrecks, one of the most informative sources I've yet found are on actual archaeology sites with surviving examples. These papers are like free down-loadable books with exacting information on the length, construction and origin of patterns. For future historians who are interested in this thread, I wanted to attach 3 such sites with info. The first, based on the dive of the French ship Machault (Fernando, you recently posted a pic on another thread about boarding axes with this ship in context). This article by Douglas Brice is long, but absolutely worth it concerning the differing construction (solid cast, cast balls with full bar, etc)-highly recommended.
http://www.sha.org/research_resource...20Machault.pdf www.history.navy.mil/branches/UA_Penobscot.pdf http://repository.tamu.edu/bitstream...-Borgens-1.pdf)?sequence=1 |
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Excellent inputs, guys!
Please hang on! ![]() Best, Michael |
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But i also enjoy it in that, being you defending the thesis that barshot shaft cross section is not only square but also round, you are now to deal with it also ... hexagonal ![]() ![]() ![]() ... If you don't mind my (Latin) humour ![]() . Last edited by fernando; 10th November 2011 at 05:06 PM. |
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Touche, my friend. What's next, a triangular bar? My personal favorite is the deadly 'tiki bar'-
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