Brass-hilted Sosun Pattah for Comment/Discussion with a Translation Request...

laEspadaAncha · 21st October 2011, 07:18 PM

AJ - Thanks again for both the partial translation and for the attempted read of my (bad) reconstruction...

Gav - Thanks mate... I'm including below a photo of the thickened tip.

Jens - Thank you for your input. For my own edification, are there examples of similar Cintamani motifs you can point me towards? A cursory search turned up nothing but tri-lobes and wavy lines, though by contrast, I've found examples of similarly-executed bubri motif...

I'm also curious about the stripes (in the form of linear striations) that appear on the back of the makara head (and ears) - which I'll have to photograph and upload - and how (if at all) their appearance might affect your interpretation of the motif on the (sides of the) makara head. In the meantime, I've included another photo below with the area in question circled for the clarity of other forumites.

Cheers,

Chris

laEspadaAncha · 22nd October 2011, 02:36 AM

Below is one of the examples I have found with a bubri motif I think resembles the motif on my own example (on the lateral surfaces of the pommel as circled above). It is the pommel of a pesh kabz that sold earlier this year at Sotheby's. Dated to ca. 1790, it is described as having a bubri motif with a possible Seringapatam attribution.

Also, one of the questions I have had is whether the styling of the makara may serve as a clue to the origin of the sword, given the variety of stylistic differences that seem to appear in the form. I also find it interesting that the styling of the makara (on the chape) appears to bare some resemblance to my example with regards to the pronounced nasal ridge and the ribbing...

Photos below...

Bubri motif:

Makara chape:

Dagger:

Spine with recurring bubri:

Link to lot: Mysore Pesh Kabz

ETA to add a photo showing the two motifs side-by-side:

21st October 2011, 07:18 PM	#1
laEspadaAncha Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 608	AJ - Thanks again for both the partial translation and for the attempted read of my (bad) reconstruction... Gav - Thanks mate... I'm including below a photo of the thickened tip. Jens - Thank you for your input. For my own edification, are there examples of similar Cintamani motifs you can point me towards? A cursory search turned up nothing but tri-lobes and wavy lines, though by contrast, I've found examples of similarly-executed bubri motif... I'm also curious about the stripes (in the form of linear striations) that appear on the back of the makara head (and ears) - which I'll have to photograph and upload - and how (if at all) their appearance might affect your interpretation of the motif on the (sides of the) makara head. In the meantime, I've included another photo below with the area in question circled for the clarity of other forumites. Cheers, Chris Attached Images

22nd October 2011, 02:36 AM	#2
laEspadaAncha Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 608	Below is one of the examples I have found with a bubri motif I think resembles the motif on my own example (on the lateral surfaces of the pommel as circled above). It is the pommel of a pesh kabz that sold earlier this year at Sotheby's. Dated to ca. 1790, it is described as having a bubri motif with a possible Seringapatam attribution. Also, one of the questions I have had is whether the styling of the makara may serve as a clue to the origin of the sword, given the variety of stylistic differences that seem to appear in the form. I also find it interesting that the styling of the makara (on the chape) appears to bare some resemblance to my example with regards to the pronounced nasal ridge and the ribbing... Photos below... Bubri motif: Makara chape: Dagger: Spine with recurring bubri: Link to lot: Mysore Pesh Kabz ETA to add a photo showing the two motifs side-by-side: Attached Images Last edited by laEspadaAncha; 22nd October 2011 at 06:59 AM.