PALEMBANG HILT AND KERIS

ganjawulung · 7th October 2011, 03:37 AM

Old ones, dear Detlef. I hope you could see the different yellow of those golds. Not dark yellow, but light yellow... Later I would post the close ups.

Thks
GANJAWULUNG

ganjawulung · 7th October 2011, 04:13 AM

Close ups of the Palembang pendokoks, as requested by Detlef...

GANJAWULUNG

ganjawulung · 7th June 2014, 04:55 AM

Dear Klungkung,

Just to remind again, that we had a long discussion about Palembang keris in this warung in the past. Just to complete the discussion of the topics raised by our pal, Klungkung ....

Ganjawulung

KLUNGKLUNG · 7th June 2014, 07:04 AM

Dear all,

Shocking pics about a damaged DURGA handle (never saw a similar with carvings, only the 'bare' ones !) after I tried to free it from the peksi with the heating method but I new I could not avoid it as the handle already had a severe lengthwise crack. After it got off I saw it was once repaired already with glue and 1 single nail!
I restored it the best I could with wood putty. The blade shipped to Java for cleaning as it has promising pamor.

ganjawulung · 7th June 2014, 08:29 AM

Gosh,

Rarely seen Lampung keris handle has carved like that, Klungkung. Really have not seen before, a "putri malu" hilt (according to local people) such as this. Nice. Unfortunately, it cracked and broke down. But the fact that the damage can be repaired carefully, in order to recover such as never broke.

I happen to also have, Lampung carved keris handles. Even more fully carved, and the material is made of old ivory. It's just about the size of a patrem....

Ganjawulung

Jean · 7th June 2014, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Gosh,

Rarely seen Lampung keris handle has carved like that, Klungkung. Really have not seen before, a "putri malu" hilt (according to local people) such as this. Nice. Unfortunately, it cracked and broke down. But the fact that the damage can be repaired carefully, in order to recover such as never broke.

I happen to also have, Lampung carved keris handles. Even more fully carved, and the material is made of old ivory. It's just about the size of a patrem....

Ganjawulung

Is there a consensus that this type of "Durga" hilts specifically originates from Lampung and not Bengkulu or Palembang?
Regards

ganjawulung · 8th June 2014, 04:12 AM

Dear Jean,

Among local people in Sumatra -- especially the Southern part of Sumatra -- there is no mention of such keris hilt as "durga hilt". You may traced yourself this fact there. It seems, the keris term of "durga hilt" comes from the West, from the author of articles and books on keris, Martin Kerner.

Among the keris people in Sumatra, whether it's in Palembang or other parts of southern Sumatra, they call this type of keris hilt as "putri malu" (shy princess). Is there a consensus, to refer to this type of Lampung hilt? Maybe so. Although there is also a kind of "putri malu" (with different body shape, a bit more twisted), known also as the keris hilt from Lahat, which borders the region of Bengkulu in the south western coast.

Clearly, if you look through the history of Sumatra, the most southern region of Sumatra's Lampung (old name in ancient times, Kedaton) is never separated from Palembang long history, and the history of the legendary kingdom of Sriwijaya. Traces of Sriwijaya was still being tracked.

However, the old Malay inscriptions have been found there, in Lampung. Yet, many of its languages are not Malayan languages, but Lampungic comprise the group.

Ganjawulung

Sajen · 8th June 2014, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Gosh,

Rarely seen Lampung keris handle has carved like that, Klungkung. Really have not seen before, a "putri malu" hilt (according to local people) such as this. Nice. Unfortunately, it cracked and broke down. But the fact that the damage can be repaired carefully, in order to recover such as never broke.

I happen to also have, Lampung carved keris handles. Even more fully carved, and the material is made of old ivory. It's just about the size of a patrem....

Ganjawulung

Beautiful putri malu hilt, thank you for sharing Pak Ganja!

ganjawulung · 8th June 2014, 11:39 AM

Dear Jean and Sajen,

Yes, I also happened to ask this at friends in a facebook group, Sumatra group on keris and tosan aji. Friends of Palembang and Lampung, both confirmed this kind of hilt as "putri malu". And I happened to know any better, a native who is preparing a book on Lampung keris. He also confirmed this name of hilt as "putri malu"...

This specimen below, is according to him Lahat style of "putri malu". More "twisted" and has a specific form of "triangular" face. That's Lahat to him. (He was born in Lampung, and still finishing his book on Lampung Keris. Hopefully in the near future....)

Jean · 8th June 2014, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Gosh,

I happen to also have, Lampung carved keris handles. Even more fully carved, and the material is made of old ivory. It's just about the size of a patrem....

Ganjawulung

Pak Ganja,
Very nice hilt indeed! Can you please show us the blade and warangka for reference?
Thanks and regards

Gustav · 8th June 2014, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

Pak Ganja,
Very nice hilt indeed! Can you please show us the blade and warangka for reference?
Thanks and regards

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=lampung

Loedjoe · 8th June 2014, 12:47 PM

I was very interested to see references to a forthcoming book on Lampung keris. Could you give us the author's name, and the title of the book, so that we can look out for it when it is published, please? Presumably it will be announced on the forum when it appears? I look forward to seeing it.

ganjawulung · 8th June 2014, 02:13 PM

Dear Loedjoe,

I do not dare to say it now. To be sure, he focused his attention to researching the Sumatran keris, Palembang and mainly Lampung keris. Some times we discussed on Sumatran traditional weapon that is not less interesting, namely "Sumatran badik". Unfortunately, some beautiful specimens of Sumatran badiks can not be published in this special keris forum....

(Loedjoe, your name reminds me of a very peculiar name of the original sword of Aceh. A peculiar sword that has a very macho appearance, referred to locally as "loedjoe alang" or Luju Alang. Could see the distinctive shape of its hilt made of buffalo horn, which model is very typical. Aceh, is not only known for its rencong. However Aceh is also known of its sword, especially "Luju Alang". You may find the illustration of Luju Alang in "Traditional Weapons of the Indonesian Archipelago" by Albert G van Zonneveld)

7th October 2011, 04:13 AM	#2
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Palembang Pendokok Close ups of the Palembang pendokoks, as requested by Detlef... GANJAWULUNG Attached Images

7th June 2014, 04:55 AM	#3
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Palembang Hilt and Sheath.... Dear Klungkung, Just to remind again, that we had a long discussion about Palembang keris in this warung in the past. Just to complete the discussion of the topics raised by our pal, Klungkung .... Ganjawulung

7th June 2014, 07:04 AM	#4
KLUNGKLUNG Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 24	Dear all, Shocking pics about a damaged DURGA handle (never saw a similar with carvings, only the 'bare' ones !) after I tried to free it from the peksi with the heating method but I new I could not avoid it as the handle already had a severe lengthwise crack. After it got off I saw it was once repaired already with glue and 1 single nail! I restored it the best I could with wood putty. The blade shipped to Java for cleaning as it has promising pamor. Attached Images

7th June 2014, 08:29 AM	#5
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Lampung hilt.... Gosh, Rarely seen Lampung keris handle has carved like that, Klungkung. Really have not seen before, a "putri malu" hilt (according to local people) such as this. Nice. Unfortunately, it cracked and broke down. But the fact that the damage can be repaired carefully, in order to recover such as never broke. I happen to also have, Lampung carved keris handles. Even more fully carved, and the material is made of old ivory. It's just about the size of a patrem.... Ganjawulung Attached Images Last edited by ganjawulung; 7th June 2014 at 09:48 AM.

8th June 2014, 04:12 AM	#7
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Lampung or Bengkulu? Dear Jean, Among local people in Sumatra -- especially the Southern part of Sumatra -- there is no mention of such keris hilt as "durga hilt". You may traced yourself this fact there. It seems, the keris term of "durga hilt" comes from the West, from the author of articles and books on keris, Martin Kerner. Among the keris people in Sumatra, whether it's in Palembang or other parts of southern Sumatra, they call this type of keris hilt as "putri malu" (shy princess). Is there a consensus, to refer to this type of Lampung hilt? Maybe so. Although there is also a kind of "putri malu" (with different body shape, a bit more twisted), known also as the keris hilt from Lahat, which borders the region of Bengkulu in the south western coast. Clearly, if you look through the history of Sumatra, the most southern region of Sumatra's Lampung (old name in ancient times, Kedaton) is never separated from Palembang long history, and the history of the legendary kingdom of Sriwijaya. Traces of Sriwijaya was still being tracked. However, the old Malay inscriptions have been found there, in Lampung. Yet, many of its languages are not Malayan languages, but Lampungic comprise the group. Ganjawulung Last edited by ganjawulung; 8th June 2014 at 11:59 AM.

7th October 2011, 03:37 AM	#1
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Old ones, dear Detlef. I hope you could see the different yellow of those golds. Not dark yellow, but light yellow... Later I would post the close ups. Thks GANJAWULUNG

8th June 2014, 11:39 AM	#9
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Putri Malu Dear Jean and Sajen, Yes, I also happened to ask this at friends in a facebook group, Sumatra group on keris and tosan aji. Friends of Palembang and Lampung, both confirmed this kind of hilt as "putri malu". And I happened to know any better, a native who is preparing a book on Lampung keris. He also confirmed this name of hilt as "putri malu"... This specimen below, is according to him Lahat style of "putri malu". More "twisted" and has a specific form of "triangular" face. That's Lahat to him. (He was born in Lampung, and still finishing his book on Lampung Keris. Hopefully in the near future....) Attached Images

8th June 2014, 12:47 PM	#12
Loedjoe Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Oxford (UK) Posts: 96	I was very interested to see references to a forthcoming book on Lampung keris. Could you give us the author's name, and the title of the book, so that we can look out for it when it is published, please? Presumably it will be announced on the forum when it appears? I look forward to seeing it.

8th June 2014, 02:13 PM	#13
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Lampung native Dear Loedjoe, I do not dare to say it now. To be sure, he focused his attention to researching the Sumatran keris, Palembang and mainly Lampung keris. Some times we discussed on Sumatran traditional weapon that is not less interesting, namely "Sumatran badik". Unfortunately, some beautiful specimens of Sumatran badiks can not be published in this special keris forum.... (Loedjoe, your name reminds me of a very peculiar name of the original sword of Aceh. A peculiar sword that has a very macho appearance, referred to locally as "loedjoe alang" or Luju Alang. Could see the distinctive shape of its hilt made of buffalo horn, which model is very typical. Aceh, is not only known for its rencong. However Aceh is also known of its sword, especially "Luju Alang". You may find the illustration of Luju Alang in "Traditional Weapons of the Indonesian Archipelago" by Albert G van Zonneveld)