A possible Schiavona ancestor

Matchlock · 11th September 2011, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

Hi Fernando,

I personally would place the sword in the German direction and around 1540.

Hi Jasper,

Sorry but I have to differ from your dating.

If you take a close look at the hilts you will notice that Fernando's is quite different and much more developed, ca. 1630's, than the one on Oakeshott's drawing which indeed would be ca. 1550-60.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 12th September 2011, 12:12 AM

Hi 'Nando,

Would you be willing to post details of your longest rapier illustrated 2nd from bottom on your display?

It seems highly interesting indeed and I would sure let you know more about it!

The blade should be of elliptic main section, with a reinforced tip ...

Best,
Michl

fernando · 12th September 2011, 12:41 PM

Hi Michl,
The blade is more diamond section (four faced) than elliptical and the tip is not reinforced.
We have discussed it HERE , remember?

Matchlock · 12th September 2011, 07:09 PM

Grrr, my old brain ...
Anyway, Ottmar didn't it read but he will now.

cornelistromp · 28th September 2011, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

Hi Jasper,

Sorry but I have to differ from your dating.

If you take a close look at the hilts you will notice that Fernando's is quite different and much more developed, ca. 1630's, than the one on Oakeshott's drawing which indeed would be ca. 1550-60.

Best,
Michael

Hi Michael,

sorry for my late response. I saw this post only now.
Oakeshott's sketches are only the front view without a counter guard, apart from that the basket disappeared at the end of the 16th century in Germany for this type of swords.( this type of basket)
I'm sorry but I must hold my date.

kind regards
Jasper

fernando · 28th September 2011, 03:51 PM

Thank for your new input, Jasper.
Now, sorry for my ignorance but, you would you say this is a cavalry sword or an infantry one ... or rather for civilian use?

cornelistromp · 28th September 2011, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Thank for your new input, Jasper.
Now, sorry for my ignorance but, you would you say this is a cavalry sword or an infantry one ... or rather for civilian use?

Hi Fernando,
This sword given it's blade length and combined with the full hand protection of a deep basket hilt is a very efficient sword that allowed both cut and thrust and therefor perfect for the heavy cavalry.

fernando · 28th September 2011, 05:17 PM

Thanks a lot Jasper

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12th September 2011, 12:12 AM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi 'Nando, Would you be willing to post details of your longest rapier illustrated 2nd from bottom on your display? It seems highly interesting indeed and I would sure let you know more about it! The blade should be of elliptic main section, with a reinforced tip ... Best, Michl Attached Images

12th September 2011, 12:41 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Michl, The blade is more diamond section (four faced) than elliptical and the tip is not reinforced. We have discussed it HERE , remember?

12th September 2011, 07:09 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Grrr, my old brain ... Anyway, Ottmar didn't it read but he will now.

28th September 2011, 03:51 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank for your new input, Jasper. Now, sorry for my ignorance but, you would you say this is a cavalry sword or an infantry one ... or rather for civilian use?

28th September 2011, 05:17 PM	#8
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thanks a lot Jasper .