Guianan Macana Club for comment.

Tim Simmons · 2nd September 2011, 04:31 PM

I would really like to test the wood. The last time a few years ago, it cost £100 at Kew. Sadly I cannot justify this piece with empty wallet. Got free entry with the enquiry.

Atlantia · 2nd September 2011, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

I would really like to test the wood. The last time a few years ago, it cost £100 at Kew. Sadly I cannot justify this piece with empty wallet. Got free entry with the enquiry.

You mean you waved a club and they waived the entry fee?

KuKulzA28 · 23rd September 2011, 07:06 PM

This reading may be of interest to those who have interest in Native American, or more specifically the shamanism in the Guyanese area from an anthropological perspective... I know it is definitely interesting to me so far.

Dark Shamans and the Shamanic State:
Sorcery and Witchcraft as Political Process in Guyana and Venezuelan Amazon.
Silvia Vidal and Neil L. Whitehead

fearn · 24th September 2011, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by KuKulzA28

This reading may be of interest to those who have interest in Native American, or more specifically the shamanism in the Guyanese area from an anthropological perspective... I know it is definitely interesting to me so far.

Dark Shamans and the Shamanic State:
Sorcery and Witchcraft as Political Process in Guyana and Venezuelan Amazon.
Silvia Vidal and Neil L. Whitehead

Great book, if more than a little unsettling. You can also check the links in posting #5

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KuKulzA28 · 25th September 2011, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by fearn

Great book, if more than a little unsettling. You can also check the links in posting #5

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Yes, I've read the article, and I am considering getting the book as well. Guyana is a country of great interest to me, and I am always trying to learn more about it...

fearn · 26th September 2011, 06:40 AM

I read the book, but I checked it out of a library years ago. As I noted earlier in this thread, I sympathize with Whitehead for owning a club that was designed to kill kanaima. It's primarily because of what the kanaima did to their victims, and that's only because they did start stalking him before he left Guyana.

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KuKulzA28 · 26th September 2011, 12:59 PM

I'm curious... weren't these aputu/macana around and being used prior to European invasion? So was the club both a self-defense Kanaima killer and warrior's weapon all along? How prevalent was the kanaima practice historically? I was under the impression it became more significant post European invasion... socially working as a reaffirmation of aboriginal power, spiritually as the destructive compliment to healing and life, and physically as a very cruel, torturous way to die...

It's interesting that despite the availability of machetes and guns, that they'd still be using aputu - but not much can beat good old impact weapons at what they do - crush, bludgeon, and smash!

2nd September 2011, 04:31 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	I would really like to test the wood. The last time a few years ago, it cost £100 at Kew. Sadly I cannot justify this piece with empty wallet. Got free entry with the enquiry.

23rd September 2011, 07:06 PM	#3
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	This reading may be of interest to those who have interest in Native American, or more specifically the shamanism in the Guyanese area from an anthropological perspective... I know it is definitely interesting to me so far. Dark Shamans and the Shamanic State: Sorcery and Witchcraft as Political Process in Guyana and Venezuelan Amazon. Silvia Vidal and Neil L. Whitehead

26th September 2011, 06:40 AM	#6
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	I read the book, but I checked it out of a library years ago. As I noted earlier in this thread, I sympathize with Whitehead for owning a club that was designed to kill kanaima. It's primarily because of what the kanaima did to their victims, and that's only because they did start stalking him before he left Guyana. F

26th September 2011, 12:59 PM	#7
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	I'm curious... weren't these aputu/macana around and being used prior to European invasion? So was the club both a self-defense Kanaima killer and warrior's weapon all along? How prevalent was the kanaima practice historically? I was under the impression it became more significant post European invasion... socially working as a reaffirmation of aboriginal power, spiritually as the destructive compliment to healing and life, and physically as a very cruel, torturous way to die... It's interesting that despite the availability of machetes and guns, that they'd still be using aputu - but not much can beat good old impact weapons at what they do - crush, bludgeon, and smash!