Mandau with twist core

Tim Simmons · 29th August 2011, 09:36 PM

Perhaps it is a made up piece?

CCUAL · 29th August 2011, 10:04 PM

Hello Michael, how is the weight and thickness of the blade? I do not have a clue if Mandau people ever etch there blades, but as I was browsing thru the photos that you posted, #5, does the twist pattern part of the blade it self? because it appears that the pattern is fairly untouched based on the age or its like those koftgari, inlay on the outer layer of the blade. I am completely new to this and I am amized of the pattern. many thanks, chris

VVV · 30th August 2011, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Perhaps it is a made up piece?

Well somebody probably made it

Could you please develop this idea and the indications for it?

Michael

Maurice · 30th August 2011, 08:57 AM

This is no made up piece imo.

The more I look at it the more I intend to believe the blade could be made for this mandau (by a Tausug smith what seem to be most likely)

I still need to see a (moro) blade with such twistcore this broad as on Michaels piece which could be a good candidate to turn it in the blade on Michael's.

I've seen several kampilans with twistcore blades, but the twistcore seem to be narrower as it's the case here!

Maybe it could be made for this mandau afterall???
Very interesting and I hope a forummember could post an image of a moroblade which "could be" turned into Michael's blade.

Maurice

VVV · 30th August 2011, 10:31 AM

Here is my twist core kampilan. I haven't seen that many???
The reason why I don't think it's just a reshaped kampilan blade is that it's much thinner than a mandau blade.

And here is a parang pedang with twist core. That's the only one I have seen.
So if it's reshaped it most probably have been made out of a sulu kris.

Michael

Maurice · 30th August 2011, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Here is my twist core kampilan. I haven't seen that many???
The reason why I don't think it's just a reshaped kampilan blade is that it's much thinner than a mandau blade.

And here is a parang pedang with twist core. That's the only one I have seen.
So if it's reshaped it most probably have been made out of a sulu kris.

Michael

With "I've seen several" I meant on images (your kampilan with twistcore included).
PS your parang pedang I've handled a while ago and is breathtaking!

Is a Sulu kris long enough to transform it to your mandaublade? (You might measure them next to your mandaublade, see if they would be long enough to reshape them?)

Maurice

asomotif · 30th August 2011, 11:36 AM

Hello Michael,

Odd one. I have never seen any mandau blade with a deliberately forged pattern. I can only think this is a trade blade reshaped into a mandaublade.

Measurements and a picture of the spine would be helpfull to the forumites.

Nice handle on this mandau BTW

Best regards,
Willem

Spunjer · 30th August 2011, 11:53 AM

here's a picture of a mandau (bottom row) among other moro weapons in a guardhouse. not common, but mandaus were used in sulu

30th August 2011, 11:53 AM	#8
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	here's a picture of a mandau (bottom row) among other moro weapons in a guardhouse. not common, but mandaus were used in sulu Attached Images

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Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Perhaps it is a made up piece?

29th August 2011, 10:04 PM	#2
CCUAL Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 76	Hello Michael, how is the weight and thickness of the blade? I do not have a clue if Mandau people ever etch there blades, but as I was browsing thru the photos that you posted, #5, does the twist pattern part of the blade it self? because it appears that the pattern is fairly untouched based on the age or its like those koftgari, inlay on the outer layer of the blade. I am completely new to this and I am amized of the pattern. many thanks, chris

30th August 2011, 08:57 AM	#4
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	This is no made up piece imo. The more I look at it the more I intend to believe the blade could be made for this mandau (by a Tausug smith what seem to be most likely) I still need to see a (moro) blade with such twistcore this broad as on Michaels piece which could be a good candidate to turn it in the blade on Michael's. I've seen several kampilans with twistcore blades, but the twistcore seem to be narrower as it's the case here! Maybe it could be made for this mandau afterall??? Very interesting and I hope a forummember could post an image of a moroblade which "could be" turned into Michael's blade. Maurice

30th August 2011, 10:31 AM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Here is my twist core kampilan. I haven't seen that many??? The reason why I don't think it's just a reshaped kampilan blade is that it's much thinner than a mandau blade. And here is a parang pedang with twist core. That's the only one I have seen. So if it's reshaped it most probably have been made out of a sulu kris. Michael Attached Images

30th August 2011, 11:36 AM	#7
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Hello Michael, Odd one. I have never seen any mandau blade with a deliberately forged pattern. I can only think this is a trade blade reshaped into a mandaublade. Measurements and a picture of the spine would be helpfull to the forumites. Nice handle on this mandau BTW Best regards, Willem