Wheellock Mechanism

rickystl · 17th August 2011, 03:28 PM

Michael: Thanks so much for the information. Most helpful. Yes, I agree, the lack of overall decoration would suggest military use. Which, in a way, makes the lock even more interesting. Yes, I'm sure there are very few of these around. Thanks, Rick.

Hi Fernando. Yes, now I see the chain. So, it's missing part of it's secondary sear

Thank you so much for noticing. Hmmmm. Thanks, Rick.

I don't own this Lock yet. I wanted to get both of your opinions before taking the plunge. Of course, it won't come cheap. I'll have to decide sometime this week. It would sure make a nice addition to the lock collection.

Matchlock · 17th August 2011, 06:37 PM

Hi Rick,

Due to the losses that Fernando K. correctly pointed out, I think you shouldn't pay too much.

I attached a Suhl/Thuringia made heavy wheellock musket, ca. 1600, mounted with the same type of Italian style mechanism but the usual sort without a reserve dog for the pyrites.

Please note that wheellocks, differring from what Fernando K. said, have dogs and not cocks because they are not cocked and do not strike sparks!

The other gun illustrated in detail is of Nuremberg but Italian style make, ca. 1590, its single dog mechanism quite similar in shape to 'your' lock.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 17th August 2011, 07:02 PM

... preserved in the Buffalo Bill Cody Museum, Cody, Wyoming.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 17th August 2011, 07:13 PM

... preserved in the Castel Sant' Angelo, Rome.

Best,
Michael

Fernando K · 18th August 2011, 03:55 PM

Hola a todos:

Simplemente para una aclaración:

Matchlock sostiene que confundo dog con cock. Si se mira con atención mi post en español usé la palabra PINZA PORTA PIRITAS, traducida como CLAMP por el traductor.

Si usé la palabra COCK fué porque el post original de Rick, emplea DOUBLE COCK

Fernando K Hi all

Just for clarification:

Matchlock says confused with dog cock. If you look closely my post I used the word in Spanish clamp Pyrite CLAMP translated by the translator.

If I used the word COCK original post was because Rick, uses DOUBLE COCK

Fernando K

fernando · 18th August 2011, 04:16 PM

Hi Fernando,
I knew it was just a question of language, not of terminology.
It is so good you keep posting here, despite the language frontier

.

rickystl · 18th August 2011, 05:04 PM

Gentlemen: Thank you ALL for your input. The only one wrong using the word COCK is me.

My error.
Michael: Thanks for posting the great pictures. I look at them as I wipe the drewel from my mouth

Yes, with the missing parts I'm going to try to negotiate the price. But, the current owner basically knows what he has, so it might be tough. We'll see.

I'll keep you posted if I decide to take the plunge. Thanks, Rick.

17th August 2011, 06:37 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Rick, Due to the losses that Fernando K. correctly pointed out, I think you shouldn't pay too much. I attached a Suhl/Thuringia made heavy wheellock musket, ca. 1600, mounted with the same type of Italian style mechanism but the usual sort without a reserve dog for the pyrites. Please note that wheellocks, differring from what Fernando K. said, have dogs and not cocks because they are not cocked and do not strike sparks! The other gun illustrated in detail is of Nuremberg but Italian style make, ca. 1590, its single dog mechanism quite similar in shape to 'your' lock. Best, Michael Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 17th August 2011 at 07:04 PM.

17th August 2011, 07:02 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	A rare double dog Italian military wheellock musket, ca. 1625 ... preserved in the Buffalo Bill Cody Museum, Cody, Wyoming. Best, Michael Attached Images

17th August 2011, 07:13 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	A very fine double dog wheellock musket, Northern Italy, ca. 1600 ... preserved in the Castel Sant' Angelo, Rome. Best, Michael Attached Images

17th August 2011, 03:28 PM	#1
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Michael: Thanks so much for the information. Most helpful. Yes, I agree, the lack of overall decoration would suggest military use. Which, in a way, makes the lock even more interesting. Yes, I'm sure there are very few of these around. Thanks, Rick. Hi Fernando. Yes, now I see the chain. So, it's missing part of it's secondary sear Thank you so much for noticing. Hmmmm. Thanks, Rick. I don't own this Lock yet. I wanted to get both of your opinions before taking the plunge. Of course, it won't come cheap. I'll have to decide sometime this week. It would sure make a nice addition to the lock collection.

18th August 2011, 03:55 PM	#5
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hola a todos: Simplemente para una aclaración: Matchlock sostiene que confundo dog con cock. Si se mira con atención mi post en español usé la palabra PINZA PORTA PIRITAS, traducida como CLAMP por el traductor. Si usé la palabra COCK fué porque el post original de Rick, emplea DOUBLE COCK Fernando K Hi all Just for clarification: Matchlock says confused with dog cock. If you look closely my post I used the word in Spanish clamp Pyrite CLAMP translated by the translator. If I used the word COCK original post was because Rick, uses DOUBLE COCK Fernando K

18th August 2011, 04:16 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Fernando, I knew it was just a question of language, not of terminology. It is so good you keep posting here, despite the language frontier .

18th August 2011, 05:04 PM	#7
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Gentlemen: Thank you ALL for your input. The only one wrong using the word COCK is me. My error. Michael: Thanks for posting the great pictures. I look at them as I wipe the drewel from my mouth Yes, with the missing parts I'm going to try to negotiate the price. But, the current owner basically knows what he has, so it might be tough. We'll see. I'll keep you posted if I decide to take the plunge. Thanks, Rick.