my babies,know what they are?

laEspadaAncha · 12th August 2011, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TVV

The bayonet on the left under the broadsword looks like a Swedish M1898 to me. Just like those who commented before me, I too would like to see the etnographic blades in more detail in separate threads.
Regards,
Teodor

You are absolutely correct. Not sure why I erroneously "knee jerk" those as Danish Mausers, but I did the same thing not once, but twice, within the past 2-3 months. Thanks for the correction...

Atlantia · 12th August 2011, 07:04 PM

Hi LPA2000,

Welcome to the forums.

I'd like to see a thread about your black sea yataghan! They are beautiful and worthy of further investigation.

Congrats on a great collection,

Best
Gene

TVV · 12th August 2011, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by laEspadaAncha

You are absolutely correct. Not sure why I erroneously "knee jerk" those as Danish Mausers, but I did the same thing not once, but twice, within the past 2-3 months. Thanks for the correction...

I mix up Mannlicher M88 and M95 bayonets all the time, and I have a dozen of them, so I can relate. The etnographic items are a lot more interesting than the bayos anyway.
Teodor

lpa2000 · 12th August 2011, 10:11 PM

Thanks guys! ill take better pictures for sure! its nice to be among fellow weapon lovers, I worked like a dog finding these babies, and am going to post single threads about the more unique ones

Thanks for welcoming me! for those who didnt catch it my name is Mike

Rick · 13th August 2011, 02:09 AM

The sword at the lower right may be an old Collins machete .

Robert · 13th August 2011, 02:49 AM

Hello Mike and welcome to the forum. Again I'll go with Rick on this and say looks to be a Collins Engineer Type 1 Bolo machete Model No. 1005. Better pictures would help but it should have COLLINS & CO./HARTFORD/No. 1005 stamped into the blade. That is a very nice collection you have and I hope to see you post each item in its own thread.

Robert

Jim McDougall · 13th August 2011, 03:53 AM

Mike, I'd like to join in welcoming you, and thank you for a great entry with this outstanding grouping. This is an excellent example of true collecting in that one does not need a huge collection, just discerningly selected examples representing diverse areas. Each of these has its own intriguing history, and I agree with those who have suggested putting each on thier own thread. I think you'll find that the ensuing detail from these will add some great perspective, and we all enjoy learning from every example shown here.

For example, the unusual heavy curved blade weapon at bottom, I honestly had no clue, but Rick astutely noted it was a Collins machete.....then Robert adds outstanding detail! In a single thread, others with focus on machetes can zero in on the thread and add more, and more examples turn up.

Personally I am intrigued by the German broadsword blade marked to J.J.Runkel. This blade is remarkably similar to blades that are found on Sudanese kaskaras in the latter 19th century, however J.J.Runkel marks suggest the opening years of the 19th century. Runkel was actually a London based German importer rather than a maker, and I believe these type blades were for military broadswords for Scottish units as well as the M1796 heavy cavalry officers dress swords. I'd like to see individual photos on this and the markings.

The Black Sea yataghan is a fascinating weapon, and has been the subject of many discussions here, and actually was finally identified somewhat conclusively as a Laz 'bichagi' used by these tribal groups in various Turkish regions from c.1850s ino the early 20th century. Under Black Sea yataghan on the 'search' feature here you will see some of these discussions. As Gene has well pointed out however, these have, like most weapons, a lot more to be learned about them.

The bayonets are often a tough call as they do often look so much alike and the basic forms were used by many countries over long periods, so many times the most subtle nuances are key to final ID. Similar dilemmas come up with firearms such as the Colt, which was produced in considerable numbers and as Berkeley has pointed out, sometimes by other countries. I have familiarity but little distinct knowledge on firearms, but have found that 'Man at Arms' magazine has been one of the most outstanding resources on guns around. I'm quite sure with thier huge corpus of material on Colts in thier issues since 1979, probably there is some detail on these Colts of M1877 form with the butt lanyard, possibly Spanish.

Again Mike, welcome, and very, very nice weapons..Thank you!

All the best,
Jim

tom hyle · 14th August 2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Coleman

Hello Mike and welcome to the forum. Again I'll go with Rick on this and say looks to be a Collins Engineer Type 1 Bolo machete Model No. 1005. Better pictures would help but it should have COLLINS & CO./HARTFORD/No. 1005 stamped into the blade. That is a very nice collection you have and I hope to see you post each item in its own thread.

Robert

Marks on these are typically very faint, for some reason, and some were produced "sterile" (unmarked) for "black ops"
AFAIK no other manufacturer is known to have made them.
Interestingly these seem to be based on "machete filipiana" to which they bear a superficial resemblance (though being much heavier)

12th August 2011, 07:04 PM	#2
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Hi LPA2000, Welcome to the forums. I'd like to see a thread about your black sea yataghan! They are beautiful and worthy of further investigation. Congrats on a great collection, Best Gene

12th August 2011, 10:11 PM	#4
lpa2000 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3	Thanks guys! ill take better pictures for sure! its nice to be among fellow weapon lovers, I worked like a dog finding these babies, and am going to post single threads about the more unique ones Thanks for welcoming me! for those who didnt catch it my name is Mike

13th August 2011, 02:09 AM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	The sword at the lower right may be an old Collins machete .

13th August 2011, 02:49 AM	#6
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Mike and welcome to the forum. Again I'll go with Rick on this and say looks to be a Collins Engineer Type 1 Bolo machete Model No. 1005. Better pictures would help but it should have COLLINS & CO./HARTFORD/No. 1005 stamped into the blade. That is a very nice collection you have and I hope to see you post each item in its own thread. Robert

13th August 2011, 03:53 AM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,193	Mike, I'd like to join in welcoming you, and thank you for a great entry with this outstanding grouping. This is an excellent example of true collecting in that one does not need a huge collection, just discerningly selected examples representing diverse areas. Each of these has its own intriguing history, and I agree with those who have suggested putting each on thier own thread. I think you'll find that the ensuing detail from these will add some great perspective, and we all enjoy learning from every example shown here. For example, the unusual heavy curved blade weapon at bottom, I honestly had no clue, but Rick astutely noted it was a Collins machete.....then Robert adds outstanding detail! In a single thread, others with focus on machetes can zero in on the thread and add more, and more examples turn up. Personally I am intrigued by the German broadsword blade marked to J.J.Runkel. This blade is remarkably similar to blades that are found on Sudanese kaskaras in the latter 19th century, however J.J.Runkel marks suggest the opening years of the 19th century. Runkel was actually a London based German importer rather than a maker, and I believe these type blades were for military broadswords for Scottish units as well as the M1796 heavy cavalry officers dress swords. I'd like to see individual photos on this and the markings. The Black Sea yataghan is a fascinating weapon, and has been the subject of many discussions here, and actually was finally identified somewhat conclusively as a Laz 'bichagi' used by these tribal groups in various Turkish regions from c.1850s ino the early 20th century. Under Black Sea yataghan on the 'search' feature here you will see some of these discussions. As Gene has well pointed out however, these have, like most weapons, a lot more to be learned about them. The bayonets are often a tough call as they do often look so much alike and the basic forms were used by many countries over long periods, so many times the most subtle nuances are key to final ID. Similar dilemmas come up with firearms such as the Colt, which was produced in considerable numbers and as Berkeley has pointed out, sometimes by other countries. I have familiarity but little distinct knowledge on firearms, but have found that 'Man at Arms' magazine has been one of the most outstanding resources on guns around. I'm quite sure with thier huge corpus of material on Colts in thier issues since 1979, probably there is some detail on these Colts of M1877 form with the butt lanyard, possibly Spanish. Again Mike, welcome, and very, very nice weapons..Thank you! All the best, Jim