Katzbalgers and Related Landsknecht Swords

cornelistromp · 11th August 2011, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micke D

Hi Jasper!

Do you have any measurements for that nice messer?
Is it your's? How old is it?

/Micke D

Hi Micke,

this one is not my property but I do have the measurements for you.
allover length = 49.0 cm, cross-width = 10 cm

Blade: length = 36.5 cm, width = 3.8 cm

weight: 502 gram

Michael gave exactly the right period for this messer. around 1490

best,
jasper

Zwielicht · 14th August 2011, 10:03 AM

Ahh... again so many great things!

A few questions:

1) Are there a remains of a second ring on the messer's hilt? Two broken pieces in the center of a guard look like having a cross section just like a ring on another side, and remind it very closely, as for me.

2) And the first за those four two-handed swords - what are it's more detailed dimensions, if they are available? Weight, blade width and thickness, hilt length etc.

Matchlock · 14th August 2011, 07:39 PM

Hi Zwielicht,

At the beginning of my latest post on the Italian Swords I gave all the measurements I had, according to their line of appearance.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 17th August 2011, 07:34 PM

... preserved in the Castel Sant' Angelo, Rome, the Katzbalger of unusual length and therefore probably mounted with a later blade!

m

fernando · 18th August 2011, 12:33 PM

Ah Michl,
Definitely your picture is much better than mine, 'secretely' taken with a friend's camera, when i visited the Castle last year.

Matchlock · 18th August 2011, 06:00 PM

Oh 'Nando,

They are not mine, I found them on the web.

Best,
Michl

Matchlock · 22nd August 2011, 03:33 PM

German two hand swords in the Norwich Castle museum: the one on the left a bearing sword of ca. 1600, the one on the right an early Landsknecht sword of ca. 1490, also illustrated in detail below.

Associated with the armor is a hand and a half sword of ca. 1550-60.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 13th November 2011, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

A Katzbalger ... preserved in the Castel Sant' Angelo, Rome, the Katzbalger of unusual length and therefore probably mounted with a later blade!
m

The pretzel quillons on this are a modern replacement of course. I just wished to make that perfectly clear.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 19th November 2011, 05:38 AM

For another good Katzbalger sword new to the market, and in our member Fernando's collection, please see

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14555

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 4th December 2011, 07:19 PM

A good and rare Landsknecht one-hand sword, in excavated condition and missing its originally sandwiched and cord-bound leather-covered wooden grip scales, ca. 1525-30, just failed to sell at only 1.600 euro at the Dorotheum, Vienna.
Overall length ca. 110 cm.

Best,
Michael

17th August 2011, 07:34 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	A Katzbalger, ca. 1515-20, and a Broadsword, ca. 1550 ... preserved in the Castel Sant' Angelo, Rome, the Katzbalger of unusual length and therefore probably mounted with a later blade! m Attached Images

18th August 2011, 12:33 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Ah Michl, Definitely your picture is much better than mine, 'secretely' taken with a friend's camera, when i visited the Castle last year. Attached Images

22nd August 2011, 03:33 PM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	German two hand swords in the Norwich Castle museum: the one on the left a bearing sword of ca. 1600, the one on the right an early Landsknecht sword of ca. 1490, also illustrated in detail below. Associated with the armor is a hand and a half sword of ca. 1550-60. Best, Michael Attached Images

4th December 2011, 07:19 PM	#10
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	A good and rare Landsknecht one-hand sword, in excavated condition and missing its originally sandwiched and cord-bound leather-covered wooden grip scales, ca. 1525-30, just failed to sell at only 1.600 euro at the Dorotheum, Vienna. Overall length ca. 110 cm. Best, Michael Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 4th December 2011 at 07:44 PM.

14th August 2011, 10:03 AM	#2
Zwielicht Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 26	Ahh... again so many great things! A few questions: 1) Are there a remains of a second ring on the messer's hilt? Two broken pieces in the center of a guard look like having a cross section just like a ring on another side, and remind it very closely, as for me. 2) And the first за those four two-handed swords - what are it's more detailed dimensions, if they are available? Weight, blade width and thickness, hilt length etc.

14th August 2011, 07:39 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Zwielicht, At the beginning of my latest post on the Italian Swords I gave all the measurements I had, according to their line of appearance. Best, Michael

18th August 2011, 06:00 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Oh 'Nando, They are not mine, I found them on the web. Best, Michl

19th November 2011, 05:38 AM	#9
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	For another good Katzbalger sword new to the market, and in our member Fernando's collection, please see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14555 Best, Michael