Sad story: 'Ottoman / Kurdish Jambiya' Did you buy it?

Atlantia · 10th August 2011, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Danger, thin ice ahead .
No politics please .

TIA,

Rick

Sorry Rick, treading carefully.
Is an eBay link OK?

Rick · 10th August 2011, 04:11 PM

Link/s ?
Yes .

Still, we are on a slippery slope; this is verging on OT and international politics .

We leave that stuff at the door when we enter, mate .
Get my drift ?

Rick

Atlantia · 10th August 2011, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Link/s ?
Yes .

Still, we are on a slippery slope; this is verging on OT and international politics .

We leave that stuff at the door when we enter, mate .
Get my drift ?

Rick

Absolutely. Message received and understood.
Editorial mode 'off'

Link to the auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Ottoman-Kurdish-...item3a690a030f

carlitobrigante · 10th August 2011, 06:32 PM

if the original story is true, then the seller may soon be put in an awkward situation of having to grass up his marine buddy as he will be traceable now through ebay if someone did manage to do something about it.

I could see how such items would be scattared about in a place like a Falluja after a battle like that.

We shouldnt assume either that this wasnt signed off officially by the US army as a legit war trophy. Considering the hardness of the fighting there and the casualties, a marine presenting what was likely an uncleaned dusty unimpressive looking dagger (in that condition, to the untrained eye) as a trophy to take home might not have met too much resistance from the persons responsible for signing off on it.

Although saying that, the fact its on ebay after the owner expressing that it most certainly was not for sale raises red flags.

Items like what this might be are the tip of the iceberg unfortunately as far as looting from that region in recent times goes. The looting of the Iraqi museums during the fall of Sadam still pains me to think about. I wonder whether any of it was recovered. Bet some made it to ebay.

fernando · 10th August 2011, 07:15 PM

Hi guys,
I don't want to be a kill-joy but ... why do i have the feeeling that the current subject isn't properly this forum business ?

A.alnakkas · 10th August 2011, 08:34 PM

Fernando,

We have no other choice, who ever bought it seems to be interested in antique blades or blades in general. There is a good chance that he is part of Vikingsword.

Also, this is not political and is merely a humane action. Put yourself in the position of the iraqi who may have lost this item. It was taken from the rubble of a building.. so I bet there is an iraqi now who is upset that an item belonging to his grandfather (maybe) is lost.

Its the least we can do to the Iraqi people...

Regards,

Abdullatif

kronckew · 10th August 2011, 08:37 PM

this thread is turning into

kronckew · 10th August 2011, 04:12 PM

i also noted that the circumstances of acquisition form part of the paperwork when you turn in an item.

i would think that they would differentiate between looting from non-combatants or from a museum, and picking it up off someone who had just been actively engaged in trying to terminate the picker-upper.

as in everything, provenance and the paper trail are highly important.

10th August 2011, 08:37 PM	#7
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,216	this thread is turning into Attached Images

10th August 2011, 04:11 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Link/s ? Yes . Still, we are on a slippery slope; this is verging on OT and international politics . We leave that stuff at the door when we enter, mate . Get my drift ? Rick

10th August 2011, 06:32 PM	#4
carlitobrigante Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Solihull, UK Posts: 81	if the original story is true, then the seller may soon be put in an awkward situation of having to grass up his marine buddy as he will be traceable now through ebay if someone did manage to do something about it. I could see how such items would be scattared about in a place like a Falluja after a battle like that. We shouldnt assume either that this wasnt signed off officially by the US army as a legit war trophy. Considering the hardness of the fighting there and the casualties, a marine presenting what was likely an uncleaned dusty unimpressive looking dagger (in that condition, to the untrained eye) as a trophy to take home might not have met too much resistance from the persons responsible for signing off on it. Although saying that, the fact its on ebay after the owner expressing that it most certainly was not for sale raises red flags. Items like what this might be are the tip of the iceberg unfortunately as far as looting from that region in recent times goes. The looting of the Iraqi museums during the fall of Sadam still pains me to think about. I wonder whether any of it was recovered. Bet some made it to ebay.

10th August 2011, 07:15 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi guys, I don't want to be a kill-joy but ... why do i have the feeeling that the current subject isn't properly this forum business ?

10th August 2011, 08:34 PM	#6
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Fernando, We have no other choice, who ever bought it seems to be interested in antique blades or blades in general. There is a good chance that he is part of Vikingsword. Also, this is not political and is merely a humane action. Put yourself in the position of the iraqi who may have lost this item. It was taken from the rubble of a building.. so I bet there is an iraqi now who is upset that an item belonging to his grandfather (maybe) is lost. Its the least we can do to the Iraqi people... Regards, Abdullatif

10th August 2011, 04:12 PM	#8
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,216	i also noted that the circumstances of acquisition form part of the paperwork when you turn in an item. i would think that they would differentiate between looting from non-combatants or from a museum, and picking it up off someone who had just been actively engaged in trying to terminate the picker-upper. as in everything, provenance and the paper trail are highly important.