Yemeni? Silver Cartridge belt or Bandolier

Atlantia · 3rd August 2011, 09:06 PM

Very interesting Jonathan.
I gotta say that the cartridges in the pic look like Martini Henry.
But I think Rick's .43 sounds like a front runner.
The calibre of the cartridge will also help in dating. I'd guess that the date of 1910 is going to be pretty close (or slightly before) if the cartridge is right in the new picture. It looks like it's 'chambered' for pre copper-jacket amunition.
Also of course, if it's bigger than .303, then thats a hell of a slug!
Here's a picture from wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martini-Henry

With a few carts to compare with the .303 on the end, perhaps it'll give more of an idea of what you're looking for?
The description is:
(From Left to Right): A .577 Snider cartridge, a Zulu War-era rolled brass foil .577/450 Martini-Henry Cartridge, a later drawn brass .577/450 Martini-Henry cartridge, and a .303 British Mk VII SAA Ball cartridge.

spiral · 3rd August 2011, 11:03 PM

Thanks Gene, the heavy calibre Brit cartridges look to fat at the cartridge base to be plausible I think, so agree .43 Egyptian seems most likely so far, although I understand from my .303 friend there were similar sized Turkish & Mauser rounds, {If I took that in correctly.} which I havent looked into yet. {He didnt have any to hand, sadley.}

I reckon the calibre is round the .43 to .45 range though.

mmmmmmmm

Think were getting nearer....

Spiral

Michael Blalock · 4th August 2011, 01:51 AM

The chiseled pattern in the silver does not look Yemeni to me but who knows, it could be. I will look around and see if I can find some decoration that matches this pattern. It's an interesting item.

A.alnakkas · 4th August 2011, 09:15 AM

Nice belt, I think its yemeni. The chiseling looks identical to one of my yemenite jews made jambiya. Here are the pictures:

spiral · 4th August 2011, 10:14 AM

Thanks Michael, all help appreciated.

Excelent Alnakkas! Wow! Thank you ! That realy clinches it as Yemenite Jewish silverwork I think!

Is there an inscription date on your Jambiya by any chance? It looks a lovely & unusuasl piece to my eye.

Spiral

A.alnakkas · 4th August 2011, 11:20 AM

Hey Spiral,

The inscription on the stamp doesnt show clearly, its too dirty and I fear cleaning it as it may damage the inscription.

Check my other yemenite knife (said to be jewish work. Well the maker name fits aswell):

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=Abdullatif

So imo, your belt is yemeni and early 20th century maybe late 19th

Regards,

Abdullatif

spiral · 5th August 2011, 12:00 AM

Thank you for the link & your thoughs Abdullatif. They have helped as lot.

Jonathan

AKA spiral

3rd August 2011, 09:06 PM	#1
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Very interesting Jonathan. I gotta say that the cartridges in the pic look like Martini Henry. But I think Rick's .43 sounds like a front runner. The calibre of the cartridge will also help in dating. I'd guess that the date of 1910 is going to be pretty close (or slightly before) if the cartridge is right in the new picture. It looks like it's 'chambered' for pre copper-jacket amunition. Also of course, if it's bigger than .303, then thats a hell of a slug! Here's a picture from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martini-Henry With a few carts to compare with the .303 on the end, perhaps it'll give more of an idea of what you're looking for? The description is: (From Left to Right): A .577 Snider cartridge, a Zulu War-era rolled brass foil .577/450 Martini-Henry Cartridge, a later drawn brass .577/450 Martini-Henry cartridge, and a .303 British Mk VII SAA Ball cartridge. Attached Images

4th August 2011, 09:15 AM	#4
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Nice belt, I think its yemeni. The chiseling looks identical to one of my yemenite jews made jambiya. Here are the pictures: Attached Images

3rd August 2011, 11:03 PM	#2
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Thanks Gene, the heavy calibre Brit cartridges look to fat at the cartridge base to be plausible I think, so agree .43 Egyptian seems most likely so far, although I understand from my .303 friend there were similar sized Turkish & Mauser rounds, {If I took that in correctly.} which I havent looked into yet. {He didnt have any to hand, sadley.} I reckon the calibre is round the .43 to .45 range though. mmmmmmmm Think were getting nearer.... Spiral

4th August 2011, 01:51 AM	#3
Michael Blalock Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: dc Posts: 271	The chiseled pattern in the silver does not look Yemeni to me but who knows, it could be. I will look around and see if I can find some decoration that matches this pattern. It's an interesting item.

4th August 2011, 10:14 AM	#5
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Thanks Michael, all help appreciated. Excelent Alnakkas! Wow! Thank you ! That realy clinches it as Yemenite Jewish silverwork I think! Is there an inscription date on your Jambiya by any chance? It looks a lovely & unusuasl piece to my eye. Spiral

4th August 2011, 11:20 AM	#6
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Hey Spiral, The inscription on the stamp doesnt show clearly, its too dirty and I fear cleaning it as it may damage the inscription. Check my other yemenite knife (said to be jewish work. Well the maker name fits aswell): http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=Abdullatif So imo, your belt is yemeni and early 20th century maybe late 19th Regards, Abdullatif

5th August 2011, 12:00 AM	#7
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Thank you for the link & your thoughs Abdullatif. They have helped as lot. Jonathan AKA spiral