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29th July 2011, 07:05 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking
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Hi Jasper,
You're right, of course; it should read 'failed to sell'. Apart from that: well, I dislike the leather on the grip but on the other hand, I wasn't there to handle it. So your knowledge on this is doubtlessly more profound than mine. Thanks, and best, Michael |
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29th July 2011, 08:49 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2009
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Hi Michael,
I've got a nice contribution of a grosses messer, a discovery found in the soil of Bavaria (your backyard?) "Dreieck" Hauzenstein, Liebergen und Haslach near the eastern way Regensburg - Nittenau. With this knife is a belt hook with a Nuremberg mark and chape found. the belt hook is very interesting because it has a system with a spring and a plate to fix the sword. The condition has been excavated, but as single handed Messers are very rare, I'm happy with it. remains of the original wooden handle and wooden Pflockniete (rivets) are available. best from holland, Last edited by cornelistromp; 29th July 2011 at 09:05 PM. |
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30th July 2011, 03:49 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking
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Hi Jasper,
Nice item you've acquired there, congratulations!  Actually it was not exactly excavated in my backyard  but some 40 km northwest from where I live. Of course I know that region very well as I used to study and afterwards live in Regensburg for almost 25 years.It's really well preserved, with no yellowish, aggressive salt points visible on the images. The combination with the belt hook is highly remarkable too, as well as the fact that the latter is Nuremberg marked, and left of this there seems to be another coat of arms, probably the one of Bavaria. What I would be interested to learn: could you please give us the overall length, blade length and width of blade at the quillons? Is this the original bottom mount of the sheath right near the tip of the blade? Thanks a lot for sharing, Michael |
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31st July 2011, 07:45 PM
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Hi Michael,
well almost your backyard then.  all the parts are found together also the chape. remarkable because in most images Messer are worn with out any sheath. also a picture of the belt hook with spring to secure the plate. The measurements are: the sword allover: 80,5 cm the blade length/width: 67,0 cm / 4,2 cm blade is single edged wit a fuller at both sides. the crossguard: 22,5 cm the ring in diameter: 7,0 cm / 4 cm best, |
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1st August 2011, 03:55 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking
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Thank you so much again, Jasper!
This one is a really fine and well documented find!   Best, Michael |
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1st August 2011, 08:52 PM
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Thank you Michael,
Yes, I bought it from a German gentlemen, it is known that Germans are generally somewhat more precise in detail. BTW did you ever see such a messer for single hand use. The longer 2 hand Messers are known, but here the grip is a little longer for single hand- or 1 1/2 hand use. probably this extra length is needed only to counterbalance the light blade enough, i/o a pommel/counterweight. best, |
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2nd August 2011, 09:28 AM
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Location: Dortmund, Germany
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for single hand or 1 1/2 use: http://www.zornhau.de/dinkelsbuhl-first-steel/#more-92 Single hand figthing styles for the Messer are described in Lecküchner, H: Kunst des Messerfechtens (CGM 582), 1482 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/...002184/images/ Best Regards, Thilo |
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