Kris from Yogyakarta

simatua · 29th July 2011, 06:10 PM

Although the pamor circles are more round than oval i think the pamor name is wiji timun(concomber seed) ; because is is comprimated/centered in the wilah(blade)

It looks a lot like uler lulut(snake skin?), which is normaly bigger

Henk · 29th July 2011, 06:56 PM

I love this one. Congrats on this find

A. G. Maisey · 29th July 2011, 11:02 PM

Classic banyu tetes.

GIO · 30th July 2011, 05:14 PM

Alan and Simatua, though your answers do not match, I am grateful for your help.
As to myself, I cannot have an opinion since I have no examples of pamor banyu tetes.
Many thanks again.

asomotif · 1st August 2011, 09:54 PM

Lovely keris. Lovely pamor.

I also like the pendok with the linear design. I have a similar one on one of my keris. Is there a name for this specific pendok motif ?

Best regards,
Willem

Gustav · 1st August 2011, 10:18 PM

This motiv is called menyan kobar (burning incense), according to Solyom. It probably has protective meaning.

On batik there is a similar motiv, called nganam gedeg.

This motiv of imitated plaitwork is very old, you can see it also on old ceramics from archipelago.

asomotif · 1st August 2011, 10:28 PM

Thank you Gustav !

Jean · 2nd August 2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Lovely keris. Lovely pamor.

I also like the pendok with the linear design. I have a similar one on one of my keris. Is there a name for this specific pendok motif ?

Best regards,
Willem

Hello Willem,
Yogya pendok fitted on a Solonese warangka or just a manufacturer stamp?
Best regards
Jean

asomotif · 2nd August 2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jean

Hello Willem,
Yogya pendok fitted on a Solonese warangka or just a manufacturer stamp?
Best regards
Jean

Good question.
The pendok fits like a glove and seems original to the scabbard.

PenangsangII · 2nd August 2011, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GIO

Alan and Simatua, though your answers do not match, I am grateful for your help.
As to myself, I cannot have an opinion since I have no examples of pamor banyu tetes.
Many thanks again.

Me think it is called "wahyu temurun"

A. G. Maisey · 2nd August 2011, 08:51 AM

Penangsang, I have never heard of pamor wahyu temuran, but that does not mean that it does not exist and that somewhere this pamor is known by that name, so tell us please :- where is this pamor known as wahyu temurun?

In Solo, and East Jawa --- Surabaya, Malang --- I have never heard anybody call it other than banyu tetes, and it is a very common pamor in current era keris, as this one is.

Gustav · 2nd August 2011, 10:35 AM

Dear All,

after a private correspondence and a look in Solyom's book I must say, my reading was wery sloppy. Here some more details about plaitwork imitation on pendoks.

Nganam Gedeg (Gedeg - split flattened interplaited bamboo) and Tirto (water) Tejo (sparkling) are both known as batik motivs (the names of batik patterns are also used as the names of patterns in other Javanese arts); the only difference between these is the orientation of the bambu weave, and alternation of inscribed and blank bars. Looking at Tirto Tejo you see zig-zag waves.

Regarding Menyan (incense) Kobar (burning), there should be wavy lines incised on some certain bars, which together form an ascending wavy line over the pendok. The bars should be sufficiently wide to permit execution of this motiv.

PenangsangII · 3rd August 2011, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PenangsangII

Me think it is called "wahyu temurun"

Hi Alan,

I have no idea the exact origin of the term "wahyu temurun" but its quite common name used in Jogja and by collectors of Javanese keris here in Malaysia. After doing some checking with a few of my collector friends, the pamor is also known as "tirto tumetes" or "banyu tumetes" as you had mentioned earlier. Sorry for the confusion.

29th July 2011, 06:10 PM	#1
simatua Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 69	wiji timun Although the pamor circles are more round than oval i think the pamor name is wiji timun(concomber seed) ; because is is comprimated/centered in the wilah(blade) It looks a lot like uler lulut(snake skin?), which is normaly bigger

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asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Lovely keris. Lovely pamor. I also like the pendok with the linear design. I have a similar one on one of my keris. Is there a name for this specific pendok motif ? Best regards, Willem Attached Images

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Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	This motiv is called menyan kobar (burning incense), according to Solyom. It probably has protective meaning. On batik there is a similar motiv, called nganam gedeg. This motiv of imitated plaitwork is very old, you can see it also on old ceramics from archipelago. Last edited by Gustav; 1st August 2011 at 10:41 PM.

29th July 2011, 06:56 PM	#2
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I love this one. Congrats on this find

29th July 2011, 11:02 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	Classic banyu tetes.

30th July 2011, 05:14 PM	#4
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 329	Alan and Simatua, though your answers do not match, I am grateful for your help. As to myself, I cannot have an opinion since I have no examples of pamor banyu tetes. Many thanks again.

1st August 2011, 10:28 PM	#7
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Thank you Gustav !

2nd August 2011, 08:51 AM	#11
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	Penangsang, I have never heard of pamor wahyu temuran, but that does not mean that it does not exist and that somewhere this pamor is known by that name, so tell us please :- where is this pamor known as wahyu temurun? In Solo, and East Jawa --- Surabaya, Malang --- I have never heard anybody call it other than banyu tetes, and it is a very common pamor in current era keris, as this one is.

2nd August 2011, 10:35 AM	#12
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Dear All, after a private correspondence and a look in Solyom's book I must say, my reading was wery sloppy. Here some more details about plaitwork imitation on pendoks. Nganam Gedeg (Gedeg - split flattened interplaited bamboo) and Tirto (water) Tejo (sparkling) are both known as batik motivs (the names of batik patterns are also used as the names of patterns in other Javanese arts); the only difference between these is the orientation of the bambu weave, and alternation of inscribed and blank bars. Looking at Tirto Tejo you see zig-zag waves. Regarding Menyan (incense) Kobar (burning), there should be wavy lines incised on some certain bars, which together form an ascending wavy line over the pendok. The bars should be sufficiently wide to permit execution of this motiv.