Snaphaunce Lock for I.D.

rickystl · 26th July 2011, 04:49 PM

Hi Fernando!!! Like some Scottish Pistols? That's very interesting. I've never seen this type of top screw before. I'll keep your recommendation in mind while I study it further this weekend. This lock is becoming very interesting. Again, thanks for responding. Rick.

Matchlock · 26th July 2011, 07:40 PM

Hi Rick,

I do think it was mounted but only for a short time: the steel (it's not really a battery as with snaphaunces the pan cover is not an integral part of the steel) shows flint scratches.
Still it is in amazing condition!

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 26th July 2011, 08:23 PM

For comparison:

One of the better quality North African early 19th c. snaphaunces.

Best,
Michael

rickystl · 26th July 2011, 09:02 PM

Michael: You are correct on both counts. Don't know how I missed that??

The frizzen does show scratches, but not many. When did they refer to a frizzen as a "battery"? I thought it was during this early period? Maybe a little later in the Doglock period? Thanks, Rick.

rickystl · 26th July 2011, 09:14 PM

Michael: That Moroccan snaphaunce lock looks almost exactly like mine - even the frizzen - with the exception of the top screw on mine. Hmmmmm.
I have a couple of these guns. Wonder if it's actually a later Middle Eastern copy?

It's just the quality of the forging on this one is definately better than the other dozen or so Moroccan locks I've seen. Also, the interior of the lock has the addition of a clamp that stabalizes the pan cover arm. What do you think? Thanks, Rick.

Matchlock · 26th July 2011, 09:31 PM

Hi Rick,

The term frizzen/battery is, according to Dr. Thorsten Lenk's The Origin and Development of the Flintlock, only associated with the true flintlock mechanism wich seems to have appeared for the first time in France in ca. 1615. As I said before, frizzen/battery defines the combination of pan cover and steel in one piece.

The English dog lock of the 1630s-40s definitely employed a fully developed frizzen.

As to your English snaphaunce mechanism: I didn't mean to trouble you at all! I'm still convinced it's English, and your definnition and criteria mentioned are absolutely correct!

Best from a cold and windy Bavarian night to a hot Missouri,
Michael

rickystl · 28th July 2011, 09:05 PM

Michael: Thanks again for your help. Been a fun Thread. From a HOT 102 degree F Midwestern U.S. Rick.

Matchlock · 29th July 2011, 12:03 AM

Hi Rick,

Thanks too,
and best from another cold (16 degrees centigrade) and rainy Bavarian midnight,

Michael

26th July 2011, 08:23 PM	#3
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26th July 2011, 04:49 PM	#1
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Hi Fernando!!! Like some Scottish Pistols? That's very interesting. I've never seen this type of top screw before. I'll keep your recommendation in mind while I study it further this weekend. This lock is becoming very interesting. Again, thanks for responding. Rick.

26th July 2011, 07:40 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Rick, I do think it was mounted but only for a short time: the steel (it's not really a battery as with snaphaunces the pan cover is not an integral part of the steel) shows flint scratches. Still it is in amazing condition! Best, Michael

26th July 2011, 09:02 PM	#4
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Michael: You are correct on both counts. Don't know how I missed that?? The frizzen does show scratches, but not many. When did they refer to a frizzen as a "battery"? I thought it was during this early period? Maybe a little later in the Doglock period? Thanks, Rick.

26th July 2011, 09:14 PM	#5
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Michael: That Moroccan snaphaunce lock looks almost exactly like mine - even the frizzen - with the exception of the top screw on mine. Hmmmmm. I have a couple of these guns. Wonder if it's actually a later Middle Eastern copy? It's just the quality of the forging on this one is definately better than the other dozen or so Moroccan locks I've seen. Also, the interior of the lock has the addition of a clamp that stabalizes the pan cover arm. What do you think? Thanks, Rick.

26th July 2011, 09:31 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Rick, The term frizzen/battery is, according to Dr. Thorsten Lenk's The Origin and Development of the Flintlock, only associated with the true flintlock mechanism wich seems to have appeared for the first time in France in ca. 1615. As I said before, frizzen/battery defines the combination of pan cover and steel in one piece. The English dog lock of the 1630s-40s definitely employed a fully developed frizzen. As to your English snaphaunce mechanism: I didn't mean to trouble you at all! I'm still convinced it's English, and your definnition and criteria mentioned are absolutely correct! Best from a cold and windy Bavarian night to a hot Missouri, Michael

28th July 2011, 09:05 PM	#7
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Michael: Thanks again for your help. Been a fun Thread. From a HOT 102 degree F Midwestern U.S. Rick.

29th July 2011, 12:03 AM	#8
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Rick, Thanks too, and best from another cold (16 degrees centigrade) and rainy Bavarian midnight, Michael