Talismanic symbols on moro kris blades gallery!

VVV · 22nd July 2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dom

Hi Michael
you're right if you are speaking about the Seal of Solomon,
but I dunno of any Islamic graphic evocation of the "ring of Solomon"

I've a collection of more than 50 "Islamic talismanic bowls" Sunnite as well as Shiite
at least I've a good understanding, for what is concerning Muslim symbols, used for magic

here a pics attached for one of my best example, with the Solomon Seal (17th C)

regards

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Dom

Very nice collection of medicine, or poison, bowls, Dom!
I have mostly read about them when I studied Islamic Magic at the University but never seen as many as you have at once. Do you collect talismanic shirts, mirrors, locks and containers too? If so I would appreciate if you could mail me some pictures as references.
The reason why I wrote, "what Cato (p. 102) refers to as the Ring of Solomon (The square with looped corners)" is that I don't know where Cato got that name. I have not seen it in use outside his book.
The symbol, and its meaning as I described it above, is however well documented. My favorite reference for Islamic talismanic symbols is the classic Pagan Survivals in Mohammedan Civilisation (1933) by Edward Westermarck. Which one/s do you recommend?

Michael

Dom · 22nd July 2011, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by VVV

My favorite reference for Islamic talismanic symbols is the classic Pagan Survivals in Mohammedan Civilisation (1933) by Edward Westermarck. Which one/s do you recommend?

Hi Michael
which book/s could I recommend to you ...

I'm a self made man, and my training, it's the one of the street

anyway, thanks for the reference that you gave me,
I found this book in sale, and I will get it

PM in your in box,
otherwise we will be too much "out of subject", comparatively to "Ethnographic Weapons "

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Dom

VVV · 22nd July 2011, 11:18 PM

Thanks Dom for your very interesting mail!
Another good reference book for those interested is the anthology Magic and Divination in Early Islam (2004), Emilie Savage-Smith (ed.).
The pentagram on Ron's kris is described as one of the seven magic signs in this book. It is also representing Solomon in Islamic symbolism, like on the Moroccan flag, but is much more rare for talismans than The Seal of Solomon that Dom referred to above.

Michael

migueldiaz · 24th July 2011, 10:48 AM

i believe this 'guy' has been in this forum before. was there a translation made earlier? if not, perhaps we can kindly request dom to do it for us?

thanks in advance!

migueldiaz · 24th July 2011, 10:49 AM

the one above is now in 'antropologia' museum in madrid. this barung on the other hand is in museo naval, in madrid also ...

Gavin Nugent · 24th July 2011, 02:02 PM

Through these markigns, it is most interesting to note the importance placed on the Kris within the culture.

Personally I'd prefer a long and hefty Barong over a Kris in a fight but seeing how many Kris carry important cultural markings vs how many Barong, Kampilan and spears carry the same markings, it shows the importance of this weapon in it's cultural context.

Thanks to all who have shared their collections.

Gav

Dom · 24th July 2011, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by migueldiaz

perhaps we can kindly request dom to do it for us?

as far as it's in Arabic language,
it's a pleasure ... but here, it's not the case

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Dom

ps/ I do not forget those who are on stand-by
need few time again ...

migueldiaz · 25th July 2011, 02:04 AM

Dom, maraming salamat! [many thanks!]

Maurice · 2nd August 2011, 06:06 PM

Inlaid blade on a junggayang kris.

24th July 2011, 10:48 AM	#4
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	i believe this 'guy' has been in this forum before. was there a translation made earlier? if not, perhaps we can kindly request dom to do it for us? thanks in advance! Attached Images

24th July 2011, 10:49 AM	#5
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	the one above is now in 'antropologia' museum in madrid. this barung on the other hand is in museo naval, in madrid also ... Attached Images

2nd August 2011, 06:06 PM	#9
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,462	Inlaid blade on a junggayang kris. Attached Images

22nd July 2011, 11:18 PM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks Dom for your very interesting mail! Another good reference book for those interested is the anthology Magic and Divination in Early Islam (2004), Emilie Savage-Smith (ed.). The pentagram on Ron's kris is described as one of the seven magic signs in this book. It is also representing Solomon in Islamic symbolism, like on the Moroccan flag, but is much more rare for talismans than The Seal of Solomon that Dom referred to above. Michael

24th July 2011, 02:02 PM	#6
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Through these markigns, it is most interesting to note the importance placed on the Kris within the culture. Personally I'd prefer a long and hefty Barong over a Kris in a fight but seeing how many Kris carry important cultural markings vs how many Barong, Kampilan and spears carry the same markings, it shows the importance of this weapon in it's cultural context. Thanks to all who have shared their collections. Gav

25th July 2011, 02:04 AM	#8
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Dom, maraming salamat! [many thanks!]