Your thoughts on the origins of this piece? Hindustan?

Jim McDougall · 10th July 2011, 06:12 PM

In trying to look further into this carved panel, possibly a devotional item which might have been placed in a home or personal area of an individual of the Hindu Faith, it does seem to me that these figures may represent aspects related to Hanuman, and of that Hindu Deity. From my limited and lay understanding of the complexities of this religion, all I can add is that in the Indian epic Ramayana, Hanuman was a devotee of Rama and a general in the forces of the Vanaras, described as an ape like race of forest dwellers.

With the obviously widespread Hindu Faith, it would be hard to determine exactly where in SE Asia, the Indian subcontinent or the many archipelagos with Hindu following, that this panel might come from. It would likely take considerable research in material focused on Indian and Hindu art, as well as considering the type of wood and the use of these various gemstones in symbolism to even guess.

An interesting exercise here regardless, and reminding us that clues associated with decorative motif and designs on ethnographic weapons are closely aligned with many aspects of the cultures they are from.

Dmitry · 10th July 2011, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

With the obviously widespread Hindu Faith, it would be hard to determine exactly where in SE Asia, the Indian subcontinent or the many archipelagos with Hindu following, that this panel might come from. It would likely take considerable research in material focused on Indian and Hindu art, as well as considering the type of wood and the use of these various gemstones in symbolism to even guess.

I dunno, I don't think it would be that involved. I'm sure an art or religions scholar, someone who knows his field down pat, would tell us the origin of this thing, without delving into the wood.
Without any factual data, to me it absolutely looks like a tourist trade piece, just going by the looks alone. The stones and beads are glued in, not inset, the decorations are also not the best in detail. I think the central plaquette holds the key. The 'king-dude' with the cobra and the flower must mean something. The monkey-like characters may by human, too.
FWIW, Shiva is frequently depicted with a cobra coiled round his neck.

That being said, I must confess that I've done absolutely 0 research on this piece. I've just been walking past it for 10+ years.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 15th July 2011, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

In trying to look further into this carved panel, possibly a devotional item which might have been placed in a home or personal area of an individual of the Hindu Faith, it does seem to me that these figures may represent aspects related to Hanuman, and of that Hindu Deity. From my limited and lay understanding of the complexities of this religion, all I can add is that in the Indian epic Ramayana, Hanuman was a devotee of Rama and a general in the forces of the Vanaras, described as an ape like race of forest dwellers.

With the obviously widespread Hindu Faith, it would be hard to determine exactly where in SE Asia, the Indian subcontinent or the many archipelagos with Hindu following, that this panel might come from. It would likely take considerable research in material focused on Indian and Hindu art, as well as considering the type of wood and the use of these various gemstones in symbolism to even guess.

An interesting exercise here regardless, and reminding us that clues associated with decorative motif and designs on ethnographic weapons are closely aligned with many aspects of the cultures they are from.

Salaams... The wood is either Shishum(raw rosewood) or teak(stained dark) whilst the gemstones are simple Turquoise, Agate and Greenstone and the plaques seem to be brass or bronze..Interesting.

indopersianarms · 20th July 2011, 06:02 PM

I wouldnt think it was hanuman as an important way to represent hanuman was with his gada/gurj (Heavy mace) these types of mace are related to kusthi (Wrestling) who hanuman is also seen as an idol of.

Little off topic but the mace that you see in hanuman images is some times given as trophies at wrestling events and traditionally they where hollow and were filled with the dirt of the akharra (training place).

10th July 2011, 06:12 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,192	In trying to look further into this carved panel, possibly a devotional item which might have been placed in a home or personal area of an individual of the Hindu Faith, it does seem to me that these figures may represent aspects related to Hanuman, and of that Hindu Deity. From my limited and lay understanding of the complexities of this religion, all I can add is that in the Indian epic Ramayana, Hanuman was a devotee of Rama and a general in the forces of the Vanaras, described as an ape like race of forest dwellers. With the obviously widespread Hindu Faith, it would be hard to determine exactly where in SE Asia, the Indian subcontinent or the many archipelagos with Hindu following, that this panel might come from. It would likely take considerable research in material focused on Indian and Hindu art, as well as considering the type of wood and the use of these various gemstones in symbolism to even guess. An interesting exercise here regardless, and reminding us that clues associated with decorative motif and designs on ethnographic weapons are closely aligned with many aspects of the cultures they are from.

20th July 2011, 06:02 PM	#4
indopersianarms Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1	I wouldnt think it was hanuman as an important way to represent hanuman was with his gada/gurj (Heavy mace) these types of mace are related to kusthi (Wrestling) who hanuman is also seen as an idol of. Little off topic but the mace that you see in hanuman images is some times given as trophies at wrestling events and traditionally they where hollow and were filled with the dirt of the akharra (training place).