Little SEA knife for ID

[Sajen]

Hi Gene,

it is a Siraui from Sumatra. We have discussed this nice knifes recently, look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=siraui

Nice catch, can you give the measurements?

Regards,

Detlef

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi Gene,

it is a Siraui from Sumatra. We have discussed this nice knifes recently, look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=siraui

Nice catch, can you give the measurements?

Regards,

Detlef

Hi Detlef,

Thanks bud!
It's very small 19.25cm overall (minus scabbard).
Fruit knife sized, but feels suprisingly sturdy and usable!

Best
Gene

[VVV]

I don't think Gene's "fruit knife" is a siraui based on the hilt, size and scabbard.
Here is a small Javanese female knife of about the same size as a comparison.

Michael

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by VVV

I don't think Gene's "fruit knife" is a siraui based on the hilt, size and scabbard.
Here is a small Javanese female knife of about the same size as a comparison.

Michael

Hello Michael,

what let you be sure that your knife is from Java? I am in agreement with you that there seem to be two types of knifes with a similar shape of the blade. Look here for example: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=siraui
Maybe a indonesian member can enlighten us?

Regards,

Detlef

[VVV]

Detlef,

I got mine as a bonus gift when I bought a couple of keris. He told me that it was a female knife from his wife's hometown in Java. The only thing that resembles a siraui on the knife above is IMHO the blade form. But all siraui I have seen has had other hilts, scabbards and been larger in size. This one looks more like a rice harvesting knife.
Enclosed are two reference pictures of the two typical versions of siraui, which both are much larger in size and more of a weapon.
I think that Willem is correct in the old thread that the knife that was posted isn't a siraui at all. Maybe that's the reason for the confusion?

Michael

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by VVV

Detlef,

I got mine as a bonus gift when I bought a couple of keris. He told me that it was a female knife from his wife's hometown in Java. The only thing that resembles a siraui on the knife above is IMHO the blade form. But all siraui I have seen has had other hilts, scabbards and been larger in size. This one looks more like a rice harvesting knife.
Enclosed are two reference pictures of the two typical versions of siraui, which both are much larger in size and more of a weapon.
I think that Willem is correct in the old thread that the knife that was posted isn't a siraui at all. Maybe that's the reason for the confusion?

Michael

Michael,

good possible. Rice harvesting knifes in Indonesia look different but I think that my guess that these knifes are used as utility knifes seems in my eyes nearby. Do you ever have recognized the affinity with the Bagobo sangi? And I have bought recently a bigger one which look also not like a weapon. Later I will post pictures from this one. Here first the picture of my small one. the handle is very similar like the one from Gene but the scabbard is more like the "real" old Siraui sheaths.

Regards,

Detlef

[VVV]

Detlef,

Yours for sure looks more like related to the siraui (variation #1) than Gene's, both scabbard and in a way the handle.
On it resembling a rice knife I was more thinking about the old ceremonial ones, like those used for cutting for the "rice spirit" (semangat padi), than for "regular" harvesting (enclosed is an example from Sumbawa).
But of course you are correct that it is a utility knife.
I look forward to see your latest find.

Michael

[Sajen]

That's very small, my one you can see in the given thread before is 24 cm without scabbard. Fruit knife size may give the the utilisation. When you see the shape of this knifes it is nearby that they were/are used as utility knifes and dagger as well.

Best,

Detlef