Seeking pamor information ??

sirek · 25th June 2011, 03:29 PM

Thanks for your comment:

Quote:

The pamor seems washed out at some places.

Quite possible, here and there the design is raised above the level of its background: “Like a carving in relief.”

One of the guess that it that it could be: walang-sinunduk comes from a Dutch book: "Pamoratlas” by: Ing.ean.Veenendaal.
Page 86 shows three drawings/pictures of: pamor walang –sinunduk
the middle one shows some similarity in appearance, but I found so far nothing else to compare.

So I am still open to any suggestions

Marcokeris · 25th June 2011, 04:12 PM

Nice keris

IMO: a kind of lar gansir. Also walang sinuduk possibile

Jean · 25th June 2011, 09:15 PM

Hello Sirek,
This blade has a very strong Madurese flavor and Walang Sinuduk is a Javanese pamor so is it applicable? The name game would say Alan?
Best regards
Jean

A. G. Maisey · 25th June 2011, 11:27 PM

Alan would say:- dealer's montage, recent blade.

But a pleasant looking piece composed of nice individual components.

Jean · 26th June 2011, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Alan would say:- dealer's montage, recent blade.

But a pleasant looking piece composed of nice individual components.

Thank you Alan, this was my impression too about the blade because of the roughly applied pamor especially but I agree that it is a nice piece overall.
Best regards
Jean

sirek · 26th June 2011, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Alan would say:- dealer's montage, recent blade.

But a pleasant looking piece composed of nice individual components.

Thank you all for your comment,

Mr. Maisey it is possible to explain why this blade is not old?
I know I ask you to do this through a photo, but I would appreciate your explanation.

A. G. Maisey · 26th June 2011, 11:48 PM

Based upon what I can see on the computer monitor in front of me, this blade looks recent.

My opinion is based purely upon my experience and what I can see.

I am unable to provide a course in how to identify recent Madura blades, or blades from other origins, by way of the internet.

It becomes a matter of :- "if it looks like a cow, its a cow"

However, my opinion could change if I held it in my hand.

sirek · 27th June 2011, 12:00 PM

Thanks, Mr. Maisey for your reply.

I understand what you meant to say,

It's not easy to convert experience/ knowledge into writing.
But I still hope that once someone find a way to document your knowledge,
so that people such as myself who has not grown up in a keris-culture
could acquire more knowledge of the complex world of the kris.

25th June 2011, 04:12 PM	#2
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Nice keris IMO: a kind of lar gansir. Also walang sinuduk possibile

25th June 2011, 09:15 PM	#3
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Sirek, This blade has a very strong Madurese flavor and Walang Sinuduk is a Javanese pamor so is it applicable? The name game would say Alan? Best regards Jean

25th June 2011, 11:27 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	Alan would say:- dealer's montage, recent blade. But a pleasant looking piece composed of nice individual components.

26th June 2011, 11:48 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	Based upon what I can see on the computer monitor in front of me, this blade looks recent. My opinion is based purely upon my experience and what I can see. I am unable to provide a course in how to identify recent Madura blades, or blades from other origins, by way of the internet. It becomes a matter of :- "if it looks like a cow, its a cow" However, my opinion could change if I held it in my hand.

27th June 2011, 12:00 PM	#8
sirek Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 170	Thanks, Mr. Maisey for your reply. I understand what you meant to say, It's not easy to convert experience/ knowledge into writing. But I still hope that once someone find a way to document your knowledge, so that people such as myself who has not grown up in a keris-culture could acquire more knowledge of the complex world of the kris.