Seeking pamor information ??

Sajen · 25th June 2011, 01:29 PM

Very nice keris!

Would sort this pamor in maybe to the family of lar gangsir or ron kendhuru!? The pamor seems washed out at some places.

Regards,

Detlef

GIO · 25th June 2011, 03:19 PM

As to pamor I agree with Sajen: this could be a variation of ron genduru.
The hilt is obviously Maduran and the selut suggests me a Banjarmasin influence. In conclusion a great piece !

sirek · 25th June 2011, 03:29 PM

Thanks for your comment:

Quote:

The pamor seems washed out at some places.

Quite possible, here and there the design is raised above the level of its background: “Like a carving in relief.”

One of the guess that it that it could be: walang-sinunduk comes from a Dutch book: "Pamoratlas” by: Ing.ean.Veenendaal.
Page 86 shows three drawings/pictures of: pamor walang –sinunduk
the middle one shows some similarity in appearance, but I found so far nothing else to compare.

So I am still open to any suggestions

Marcokeris · 25th June 2011, 04:12 PM

Nice keris

IMO: a kind of lar gansir. Also walang sinuduk possibile

Jean · 25th June 2011, 09:15 PM

Hello Sirek,
This blade has a very strong Madurese flavor and Walang Sinuduk is a Javanese pamor so is it applicable? The name game would say Alan?
Best regards
Jean

A. G. Maisey · 25th June 2011, 11:27 PM

Alan would say:- dealer's montage, recent blade.

But a pleasant looking piece composed of nice individual components.

Jean · 26th June 2011, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Alan would say:- dealer's montage, recent blade.

But a pleasant looking piece composed of nice individual components.

Thank you Alan, this was my impression too about the blade because of the roughly applied pamor especially but I agree that it is a nice piece overall.
Best regards
Jean

sirek · 26th June 2011, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Alan would say:- dealer's montage, recent blade.

But a pleasant looking piece composed of nice individual components.

Thank you all for your comment,

Mr. Maisey it is possible to explain why this blade is not old?
I know I ask you to do this through a photo, but I would appreciate your explanation.

A. G. Maisey · 26th June 2011, 11:48 PM

Based upon what I can see on the computer monitor in front of me, this blade looks recent.

My opinion is based purely upon my experience and what I can see.

I am unable to provide a course in how to identify recent Madura blades, or blades from other origins, by way of the internet.

It becomes a matter of :- "if it looks like a cow, its a cow"

However, my opinion could change if I held it in my hand.

25th June 2011, 01:29 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	Very nice keris! Would sort this pamor in maybe to the family of lar gangsir or ron kendhuru!? The pamor seems washed out at some places. Regards, Detlef

25th June 2011, 03:19 PM	#2
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 329	As to pamor I agree with Sajen: this could be a variation of ron genduru. The hilt is obviously Maduran and the selut suggests me a Banjarmasin influence. In conclusion a great piece !

25th June 2011, 04:12 PM	#4
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Nice keris IMO: a kind of lar gansir. Also walang sinuduk possibile

25th June 2011, 09:15 PM	#5
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Sirek, This blade has a very strong Madurese flavor and Walang Sinuduk is a Javanese pamor so is it applicable? The name game would say Alan? Best regards Jean

25th June 2011, 11:27 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Alan would say:- dealer's montage, recent blade. But a pleasant looking piece composed of nice individual components.

26th June 2011, 11:48 PM	#9
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Based upon what I can see on the computer monitor in front of me, this blade looks recent. My opinion is based purely upon my experience and what I can see. I am unable to provide a course in how to identify recent Madura blades, or blades from other origins, by way of the internet. It becomes a matter of :- "if it looks like a cow, its a cow" However, my opinion could change if I held it in my hand.