Old (?) Madurese keris/Pamor Ron Gendhuru Winengku

[GIO]

What I said before refers to the blade. The hilt is Cirebon

[Sajen]

Hello Gustav,

I am unable to say if this is an old or artificially aged blade from the pictures but it is a nice blade. Also when the wrongko is partially painted it is in my eyes a nice typical East Java/Madura wrongko and I can't see why you think that it is from poor quality. The hilt isn't a Cirebon one but from the North-East coast or Madura IMHO. But the bulge at the right side is irritating, never seen something like this. I am curious what others with more knowledge than I am will say about this keris.

Regards,

Detlef

[Gustav]

Gio and Sajen, thank you for your comments.

As I mentioned, I were not able to say, if this blade is old or recent. I just thought, I see here some features I never have noticed on blades of recent production, yet I am more or less familiar only with some things appearing on internet - a big handicap.

Yet I doubt, this blade could be made in Yogya.

I said "poor quality"regarding wrongko, becouse of the painted pelet, yet moreover the worn, thick edges of gambar.

[GIO]

I think the blade is in too good conditions to be considered old, moreover the nickel alloy is too bright. The uncommon bulge on the hilt could be due to the wish of the manufacturer to employ all the material available without discarding one part.
In my opinion the ensemble is very nice, the pamor is rather well controlled, and also the scabbard is not to throw away

[Gustav]

Originally Posted by GIO

I think the blade is in too good conditions to be considered old )

Apropos the condition - If this blade would be old, I don't think it could be older then 1850, and for this age it is rather worn.

[Marcokeris]

Pamor seems an opposite Ron Genduru (the same of a negative photo)

[Sajen]

Yes, so far you can see it on the pictures seems the blade "natural worn" and seems to have age. Pamor ron kendhuru, agree with Marco.

Regards,

Detlef

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Gustav

Yet I doubt, this blade could be made in Yogya.

I said "poor quality"regarding wrongko, becouse of the painted pelet, yet moreover the worn, thick edges of gambar.

Yes, I doubt as well that this blade could be made in Yogya; it's a typical East Java/Madura blade in a fitting dress.

Of course are wrongkos of this type ( I can't remeber the name for) not so graceful carved as ladrang wrongko's from Central Java but they have it's own flair. And like we say in german: "the beauty is in the eyes of the beholder".
I have in my collection only one keris of this type and I put much energy into it to restore the wrongko (Mendak not fitting). But most ones of this type I have seen were worked from pellet wood and some from this were painted what seems to be usual.

Detlef

[Gustav]

Regarding the nickel alloy - here my photographic skills and other circumstances could be deceiving - I have put so much WD 40 on the blade (beware us from rust! ), that it could be used as reflector in the night. I guess, I overplayed a little bit.

Anyhow it seems to me, the "white" material is to dark to be PURE nickel, it is absolutely not shiny. Other thing - the dark material seems to be an older one, it's not so homogenous as the new one, and of course laminated. Yet it couldn't serve as a proof, I guess the smiths of today are sometimes using old material, sometimes it's already laminated, and if not, lamination takes not so long.

I could try to take "authentic" colour pictures, yet I am afraid, it is beyond the capabilities of my camera, and the blade isn't correctly stained.

I think, Gio is wright regarding the bulge on hilt, it is simply the place of ramification, under the bulge the core of antler is visible. In any case, it is one of the most comfortable hilts I have had in my hand.

Thank you, Detlef, for showing another example, the edges on your gambar are much finer.

I am interested to know, if the smiths of today are making such sirah cecak, gandhik with such lambe gajah, and such general shape.