Has anyone seen anything similar to this sword?

Gavin Nugent · 22nd June 2011, 02:16 PM

A very nice and unusual piece.

I get the feel it might be Hungarian and I do believe you are correct in your assessment of the hand, I too would say it is the hand of Fatima.

I look forward to other assessments.

Gav

ALEX · 22nd June 2011, 02:41 PM

Tha hand looks more Asian then Islamic. Perhaps Indonesian or Indian...Hand of Buddha???

Gavin Nugent · 22nd June 2011, 03:14 PM

Interesting to note the back of the hand is covered in flames while the palm is not. The guard shows vine leaves and grapes. Also there seems to be an angel with a sun above it to one side, the reverse seems to be a parasol with ?fire? under it???

These references might help with some leads....bed time for me, I look forward to seeing whats here in the morning.....Jim's going to love this one!!

Gav

Dmitry · 22nd June 2011, 03:35 PM

Here's another photo of the front of the blade. Note the crown underneath the umbrella. I am really angry with myself for not taking a better photo of the figure on the other side of the blade.
The sword belongs to the Higgins Armory Museum, and I'm trying to help the curator properly ID it for the exhibition they'll be opening up soon.

RSWORD · 22nd June 2011, 05:16 PM

The blade looks Indian to my eyes and do I see an Indian parasol mark?

fernando · 22nd June 2011, 05:41 PM

Weird !
The hand of Fatima would have to be the right one; they (Muslims) wouldn't turn it

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The crown ... do they have this type of crowns in India ? it looks Western

Thr script ... not Hindi, not Arabic

Tim Simmons · 22nd June 2011, 06:38 PM

The grapes on the hilt do not suggest India or the east to me, nor does the lettering. I Would suspect some sort of central European parade sword. Could easily be civil society rather than military. The hand is also European think of the red hand of Ulster and the notorious Black Hand which lead to a few years of trouble.

22nd June 2011, 02:16 PM	#1
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	nice A very nice and unusual piece. I get the feel it might be Hungarian and I do believe you are correct in your assessment of the hand, I too would say it is the hand of Fatima. I look forward to other assessments. Gav

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Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	Here's another photo of the front of the blade. Note the crown underneath the umbrella. I am really angry with myself for not taking a better photo of the figure on the other side of the blade. The sword belongs to the Higgins Armory Museum, and I'm trying to help the curator properly ID it for the exhibition they'll be opening up soon. Attached Images Last edited by Dmitry; 22nd June 2011 at 03:46 PM.

22nd June 2011, 02:41 PM	#2
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Tha hand looks more Asian then Islamic. Perhaps Indonesian or Indian...Hand of Buddha???

22nd June 2011, 03:14 PM	#3
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Interesting to note the back of the hand is covered in flames while the palm is not. The guard shows vine leaves and grapes. Also there seems to be an angel with a sun above it to one side, the reverse seems to be a parasol with ?fire? under it??? These references might help with some leads....bed time for me, I look forward to seeing whats here in the morning.....Jim's going to love this one!! Gav

22nd June 2011, 05:16 PM	#5
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,089	The blade looks Indian to my eyes and do I see an Indian parasol mark?

22nd June 2011, 05:41 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Weird ! The hand of Fatima would have to be the right one; they (Muslims) wouldn't turn it . The crown ... do they have this type of crowns in India ? it looks Western Thr script ... not Hindi, not Arabic

22nd June 2011, 06:38 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,890	The grapes on the hilt do not suggest India or the east to me, nor does the lettering. I Would suspect some sort of central European parade sword. Could easily be civil society rather than military. The hand is also European think of the red hand of Ulster and the notorious Black Hand which lead to a few years of trouble.