bali kris with bugis sheath or...?

Henk · 13th June 2011, 02:22 PM

I don't know why and maybe i'm completely wrong, but i get the feeling by this blade made in China.

Balinese ukiran and uwer. Sheath could be Bugis.

Rick · 13th June 2011, 03:06 PM

This style of blade and gonjo are something I have not seen before .

A Swiss Cheese gonjo ?!?

ronpakis · 13th June 2011, 03:58 PM

but what it really is? I was going to make a small chance but the price went pretty high pretty quick.

gr Ron

Sajen · 13th June 2011, 05:19 PM

There have been some other keris from the same seller amongst others a very nice old Cirebon keris which went as well very high and quick. Like the others I haven't seen a blade like this before but my feeling tell me that this is a genuine old blade of maybe Peninsula origin. But I have been and still be very unsure about the quality of the blade since the naga sinuosity isn't very well executed in my humple opinion. But I am sure that the buyer know for what he give such a high price.

Regards,

Detlef

Henk · 13th June 2011, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

There have been some other keris from the same seller amongst others a very nice old Cirebon keris which went as well very high and quick. Like the others I haven't seen a blade like this before but my feeling tell me that this is a genuine old blade of maybe Peninsula origin. But I have been and still be very unsure about the quality of the blade since the naga sinuosity isn't very well executed in my humple opinion. But I am sure that the buyer know for what he give such a high price.
Regards,

Detlef

Are you sure, Detlef? Caveat emptor

Sajen · 13th June 2011, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henk

Are you sure, Detlef? Caveat emptor

Hi Henk,

I write that I am sure but sure you can be never in life!

I am far away to be an expert but something tell me that the blade is a genuine one. Let us see what more knowlegde members will tell us about the blade.

Regards,

Detlef

Gustav · 13th June 2011, 08:00 PM

The question is, what meens "genuine" in this case.

A. G. Maisey · 13th June 2011, 08:02 PM

What I will now write is pure opinion and is not based upon any prior knowledge. Often I will write something that I know for certain to be the case, but I couch it as an opinion to avoid offense, or confrontation.

This is not the case this time.

I believe this to be an old ensemble, and genuine.

I know of only one place in the Archipelago that something like this may have been produced, and that is Lombok.

Lombok has mixed cultures, with people of Balinese, Bugis, and Javanese origin living together.

There is a long history of unique , unconventional and highly artistic (as well as incredibly ugly) keris that have come out of Lombok.

If this keris was a racehorse, I'd give odds of 7 to 1 on Lombok origin.

13th June 2011, 03:06 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	This style of blade and gonjo are something I have not seen before . A Swiss Cheese gonjo ?!? Last edited by Rick; 13th June 2011 at 06:45 PM. Reason: wrong term

13th June 2011, 03:58 PM	#3
ronpakis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 75	chinese indeed rings a bell.. but what it really is? I was going to make a small chance but the price went pretty high pretty quick. gr Ron

13th June 2011, 02:22 PM	#1
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I don't know why and maybe i'm completely wrong, but i get the feeling by this blade made in China. Balinese ukiran and uwer. Sheath could be Bugis.

13th June 2011, 05:19 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	There have been some other keris from the same seller amongst others a very nice old Cirebon keris which went as well very high and quick. Like the others I haven't seen a blade like this before but my feeling tell me that this is a genuine old blade of maybe Peninsula origin. But I have been and still be very unsure about the quality of the blade since the naga sinuosity isn't very well executed in my humple opinion. But I am sure that the buyer know for what he give such a high price. Regards, Detlef

13th June 2011, 08:00 PM	#7
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	The question is, what meens "genuine" in this case.

13th June 2011, 08:02 PM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	What I will now write is pure opinion and is not based upon any prior knowledge. Often I will write something that I know for certain to be the case, but I couch it as an opinion to avoid offense, or confrontation. This is not the case this time. I believe this to be an old ensemble, and genuine. I know of only one place in the Archipelago that something like this may have been produced, and that is Lombok. Lombok has mixed cultures, with people of Balinese, Bugis, and Javanese origin living together. There is a long history of unique , unconventional and highly artistic (as well as incredibly ugly) keris that have come out of Lombok. If this keris was a racehorse, I'd give odds of 7 to 1 on Lombok origin.