A clay grenade

fernando · 7th June 2011, 01:59 PM

Thank you all guys.
It is possible that the plug/fuse doesn't completely follow the original trace, but i realized that, if i made it closer to real, it could impertinently light itself and blast the grenade, with the consequent damage to the forum, caused my avatar

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Matchlock · 7th June 2011, 06:52 PM

Congratulations, 'Nando,

I just wanted to point out this link as your grenade doubtlessly is one of the Thirty Years War pieces dug up in Ingolstadt/Bavaria in the 1970's:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...des+ingolstadt

In my glass case, 2nd image from top, on the right hand you can see two original fuses, one of them cut in half to show the powder line inside.

Best,
Michl

fernando · 7th June 2011, 07:16 PM

Thank you Michl,
You might have not noticed, but i made a point in post #1 that i would not need to detail the origin of this grenade as the whole story was described in your thread, from which i posted the link, called 'THIS THREAD'

Best
'Nando

fernando · 12th April 2022, 10:23 AM

I later got one of these original fuses. I didn't replace the fake one with this example as it is very fragile.

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Andi · 12th April 2022, 06:54 PM

Dear Fernando

This is the right decision to keep the original fuse in its protective box. I know this piece from our dear friend Matchlock. May he rest in peace.

By the way my wife Chris an I have just finished the data collection on the 501st complete Grenade from the cities Museum of Ingolstadt. Next year we will measure the pieces in the museums exhibition showcase and the fragments to complete the data evaluation on the entire find.

fernando · 13th April 2022, 09:46 AM

Good to know that you are following this subject, Andi

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Raf · 13th April 2022, 03:35 PM

By grenade do we mean as in having an internal fuse. Presumably a wood plug with a hole in it filled with compressed meal designed to burn for a measured amount of time before exploding . Or an incendiary device as in Molotov cocktail. Having an external burning element, like a piece of tarry rope designed to set fire to the contents after the grenade shattered on impact . Quoting from a 1639 Tower of London inventory.

Powder Pots of earth.
Earthen bottels to be made in a round fashion ... half full of serpentine powder or somewhat more, there is also to be mixt with a quantity of Hoggs grease, Oyle of stone , Brimstone, saltpetre twice refined. Aqua vitae, pitch...

Sounds like the latter to me.

12th April 2022, 10:23 AM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I later got one of these original fuses. I didn't replace the fake one with this example as it is very fragile. . Attached Images

7th June 2011, 01:59 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you all guys. It is possible that the plug/fuse doesn't completely follow the original trace, but i realized that, if i made it closer to real, it could impertinently light itself and blast the grenade, with the consequent damage to the forum, caused my avatar .

7th June 2011, 06:52 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Congratulations, 'Nando, I just wanted to point out this link as your grenade doubtlessly is one of the Thirty Years War pieces dug up in Ingolstadt/Bavaria in the 1970's: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...des+ingolstadt In my glass case, 2nd image from top, on the right hand you can see two original fuses, one of them cut in half to show the powder line inside. Best, Michl

7th June 2011, 07:16 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you Michl, You might have not noticed, but i made a point in post #1 that i would not need to detail the origin of this grenade as the whole story was described in your thread, from which i posted the link, called 'THIS THREAD' Best 'Nando

12th April 2022, 06:54 PM	#5
Andi Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Halstenbek, Germany Posts: 203	Dear Fernando This is the right decision to keep the original fuse in its protective box. I know this piece from our dear friend Matchlock. May he rest in peace. By the way my wife Chris an I have just finished the data collection on the 501st complete Grenade from the cities Museum of Ingolstadt. Next year we will measure the pieces in the museums exhibition showcase and the fragments to complete the data evaluation on the entire find.

13th April 2022, 09:46 AM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Good to know that you are following this subject, Andi .

13th April 2022, 03:35 PM	#7
Raf Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 252	By grenade do we mean as in having an internal fuse. Presumably a wood plug with a hole in it filled with compressed meal designed to burn for a measured amount of time before exploding . Or an incendiary device as in Molotov cocktail. Having an external burning element, like a piece of tarry rope designed to set fire to the contents after the grenade shattered on impact . Quoting from a 1639 Tower of London inventory. Powder Pots of earth. Earthen bottels to be made in a round fashion ... half full of serpentine powder or somewhat more, there is also to be mixt with a quantity of Hoggs grease, Oyle of stone , Brimstone, saltpetre twice refined. Aqua vitae, pitch... Sounds like the latter to me.