Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons
FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 6th June 2011, 08:44 PM   #1
Tim Simmons
Member
 
Tim Simmons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: What is still UK
Posts: 5,843
Default

Whats that green stuff?
Tim Simmons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th June 2011, 08:55 PM   #2
Maurice
Member
 
Maurice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,453
Default

Congrats Jose,

I'm glad you finally have found one!
Can you peek how the ivory part is attached to the akar bahar?

PS Tim, the green stuff on the golden crowns is enamel.

Maurice
Maurice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th June 2011, 08:56 PM   #3
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,272
Default

The green stuff is enamel in the gold recesses.
Battara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th June 2011, 08:58 PM   #4
Maurice
Member
 
Maurice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,453
Default

crossed post's...
Maurice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th June 2011, 09:41 PM   #5
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,272
Default

Thanks Maurice. The ivory seems attached with epoxy but is very solid.

Also the whole piece is 15 inches long (about 37.5 cm). Bigger than I expected!
Battara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th June 2011, 11:05 PM   #6
asomotif
Member
 
asomotif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 2,228
Default

So that is where it went
Unfortunately my budget was not enough to grab it, as it looks like an interestin restauration project.
Not a very common type with the akah bahar and golden crowns.

The ivory part of the handle, could it be that there has been a golden sleeve on that end ?
The handle looks polished, probably done when they fixed the ivory.
asomotif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th June 2011, 12:27 AM   #7
kai
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,255
Default

Congrats, Jose!

Quote:
Not a very common type with the akah bahar and golden crowns.
Yup, neat example.

Quote:
The ivory part of the handle, could it be that there has been a golden sleeve on that end ?
While there seems to be an endless variety of materials utilized for these status pieces, I believe the ivory is a later restoration: The carving/finish of the ivory part seems to be not on par with the rest of the hilt; also I can see no reason to utilize ivory when covering the tip with gold and, more importantly, there is no topographic trace that such a gold sleeve was ever fitted to the hilt. Akar bahar hilts are often crafted from 2 sections and the tip may have got lost/damaged beyond repair.

Quote:
The handle looks polished, probably done when they fixed the ivory.
Looks ok to me (certainly buffed up a bit for sale).

Regards,
Kai
kai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th June 2011, 12:53 AM   #8
kai
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,255
Default

Quote:
more importantly, there is no topographic trace that such a gold sleeve was ever fitted to the hilt.
Here's an example of a status rencong stripped of triple gold crowns as well as golden "tail" to show the hints on the hilt surface.

Erik may be tempted to post more pics of his rencong...
(Left one on the first pic shown in this thread.)

Regards,
Kai
Attached Images
 
kai is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:44 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.