Mandau for sharing/comments

Maurice · 28th May 2011, 09:40 AM

Congrats Tatyana!
Beautifull old piece, and as Arjan stated allready, I also like the beautifully carved handle, especially the backside...

Could you please post a close up from the handle seen from above?

Kind Regards,
Maurice

Tatyana Dianova · 28th May 2011, 08:30 PM

Thank you all for the kind comments and telling the origin and age!
Maurice: I haven't made any pictures of the handle from the top, because there are no carvings there, only the bare old grey antler core

But if you still need it, please let me know, I will make it tomorrow.

Maurice · 28th May 2011, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tatyana Dianova

Thank you all for the kind comments and telling the origin and age!
Maurice: I haven't made any pictures of the handle from the top, because there are no carvings there, only the bare old grey antler core

But if you still need it, please let me know, I will make it tomorrow.

Tatyana, not necessarily.
I only was a bit curious where the broken piece would be attached...

Maurice

asomotif · 28th May 2011, 10:50 PM

The carving at the back is indeed very elaborate and extraordinairy.

I like this type of handle a lot. Unfortuately I did not bump into one that was either well carved enough or affordable

Best regards,
Willem

Indianajones · 29th May 2011, 02:41 PM

Hello Tatjana, to my oppinion your mandau comes from the Kenya subgroup of Dayak near the border of Sarawak. It are the Kenya who generally use this type (form) of handle and always tend to have a 'busy' decoration with lots of scrolls (the Kajan in comparisson have a more archaïc style of decorating) and the use of the protuding 'points' , which are actually depicting leaches, is more used by the Iban subgroup in Sarawak. Hence my conclusion.

Unfortunately I dont have my map of subgroup locations in Borneo not at hand. So perhaps it would be the upper Mendalam river like Arjan said before indeed or the upper (far inland) Mahakam/Kajan river?

I believe in the book 'hornbills and dragons' there is a map.

Very old blade also. Possibly even older than the handle and scabbard. The very old and best (?) quality blades where called 'mantikei' by the Dayak as they were made by the Ngaju subgroup in South Borneo (slightly up the Baritoriver) in a village called Mantikei. Native iron was used for those blades and even iron from meteorites -according to sayings- was used.
I have had one of those older native iron blades myself and indeed this iron is of the best quality and has more a silver shine in stead of the more common blades who have more nickel in them with a more yellowish shine (in comparisson).

Hope this is of help,

Tatyana Dianova · 30th May 2011, 08:01 AM

Willem: This is exactly the reason, why this one my FIRST Mandau is, although I was looking for one for a long time

Indianajones: Thank you a lot for the additional information!!! Are there any books on this subject? I am very surprised that the origin and age of Dayak swords can be found so exactly, and when one asks about Indian arms then normally one gets no exact information...

Mytribalworld · 30th May 2011, 08:47 PM

! Are there any books on this subject? I am very surprised that the origin and age of Dayak swords can be found so exactly, and when one asks about Indian arms then normally one gets no exact information...[/QUOTE]

Hi Tatjana, it should be a misunterstanding that origin and age can be found exactly for all dayakswords in general. There are a lot mixed style swords as handles and blades where traded and tribes migrated to other parts of Borneo.
Besides that the enourmous artistic skill of different dayak carvers have made such an large ammount of different styles that it almost endless even for advanced collectors. There are no books about this subject, some info is in Hornbill and Dragon, some in Quer durch Borneo, In Centraal Borneo, Iban art ect.

Arjan

Mytribalworld · 30th May 2011, 08:31 PM

[QUOTE=Indianajones]Hello Tatjana, to my oppinion your mandau comes from the Kenya subgroup of Dayak near the border of Sarawak. It are the Kenya who generally use this type (form) of handle and always tend to have a 'busy' decoration with lots of scrolls (the Kajan in comparisson have a more archaïc style of decorating) and the use of the protuding 'points' , which are actually depicting leaches, is more used by the Iban subgroup in Sarawak. Hence my conclusion.

sorry to add a correction but the style of the handle is surely Kajan ( not Kenya)
examples of this type can be seen in "In Centraal Borneo "by Nieuwenhuis
also the scabbard is typical Mendalam Kajan style, loose Kajan scabbards in this style are also illustrated in "In Centraal Borneo" those where freshly carved during the stay of Nieuwenhuis so we can be quite sure that this design is indeed Mendalam Kajan.

Kenya handles are mostly of a whole different style but the main difference is that a Kenya is mostly " filling spaces with scrolls,dragon and leech motifs"

The Kayan style is somewhat more developped with more arms,eyes etc.
its typical however that it seems that the eyes carved by Medalam Kajan does have teeth what make them look like gearwheels.

Arjan

29th May 2011, 02:41 PM	#5
Indianajones Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 180	Hello Tatjana, to my oppinion your mandau comes from the Kenya subgroup of Dayak near the border of Sarawak. It are the Kenya who generally use this type (form) of handle and always tend to have a 'busy' decoration with lots of scrolls (the Kajan in comparisson have a more archaïc style of decorating) and the use of the protuding 'points' , which are actually depicting leaches, is more used by the Iban subgroup in Sarawak. Hence my conclusion. Unfortunately I dont have my map of subgroup locations in Borneo not at hand. So perhaps it would be the upper Mendalam river like Arjan said before indeed or the upper (far inland) Mahakam/Kajan river? I believe in the book 'hornbills and dragons' there is a map. Very old blade also. Possibly even older than the handle and scabbard. The very old and best (?) quality blades where called 'mantikei' by the Dayak as they were made by the Ngaju subgroup in South Borneo (slightly up the Baritoriver) in a village called Mantikei. Native iron was used for those blades and even iron from meteorites -according to sayings- was used. I have had one of those older native iron blades myself and indeed this iron is of the best quality and has more a silver shine in stead of the more common blades who have more nickel in them with a more yellowish shine (in comparisson). Hope this is of help, Attached Images Last edited by Indianajones; 29th May 2011 at 08:22 PM.

28th May 2011, 09:40 AM	#1
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	Congrats Tatyana! Beautifull old piece, and as Arjan stated allready, I also like the beautifully carved handle, especially the backside... Could you please post a close up from the handle seen from above? Kind Regards, Maurice

28th May 2011, 08:30 PM	#2
Tatyana Dianova Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 735	Thank you all for the kind comments and telling the origin and age! Maurice: I haven't made any pictures of the handle from the top, because there are no carvings there, only the bare old grey antler core But if you still need it, please let me know, I will make it tomorrow.

28th May 2011, 10:50 PM	#4
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	The carving at the back is indeed very elaborate and extraordinairy. I like this type of handle a lot. Unfortuately I did not bump into one that was either well carved enough or affordable Best regards, Willem

30th May 2011, 08:01 AM	#6
Tatyana Dianova Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 735	Willem: This is exactly the reason, why this one my FIRST Mandau is, although I was looking for one for a long time Indianajones: Thank you a lot for the additional information!!! Are there any books on this subject? I am very surprised that the origin and age of Dayak swords can be found so exactly, and when one asks about Indian arms then normally one gets no exact information...

30th May 2011, 08:47 PM	#7
Mytribalworld Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 400	! Are there any books on this subject? I am very surprised that the origin and age of Dayak swords can be found so exactly, and when one asks about Indian arms then normally one gets no exact information...[/QUOTE] Hi Tatjana, it should be a misunterstanding that origin and age can be found exactly for all dayakswords in general. There are a lot mixed style swords as handles and blades where traded and tribes migrated to other parts of Borneo. Besides that the enourmous artistic skill of different dayak carvers have made such an large ammount of different styles that it almost endless even for advanced collectors. There are no books about this subject, some info is in Hornbill and Dragon, some in Quer durch Borneo, In Centraal Borneo, Iban art ect. Arjan

30th May 2011, 08:31 PM	#8
Mytribalworld Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 400	[QUOTE=Indianajones]Hello Tatjana, to my oppinion your mandau comes from the Kenya subgroup of Dayak near the border of Sarawak. It are the Kenya who generally use this type (form) of handle and always tend to have a 'busy' decoration with lots of scrolls (the Kajan in comparisson have a more archaïc style of decorating) and the use of the protuding 'points' , which are actually depicting leaches, is more used by the Iban subgroup in Sarawak. Hence my conclusion. sorry to add a correction but the style of the handle is surely Kajan ( not Kenya) examples of this type can be seen in "In Centraal Borneo "by Nieuwenhuis also the scabbard is typical Mendalam Kajan style, loose Kajan scabbards in this style are also illustrated in "In Centraal Borneo" those where freshly carved during the stay of Nieuwenhuis so we can be quite sure that this design is indeed Mendalam Kajan. Kenya handles are mostly of a whole different style but the main difference is that a Kenya is mostly " filling spaces with scrolls,dragon and leech motifs" The Kayan style is somewhat more developped with more arms,eyes etc. its typical however that it seems that the eyes carved by Medalam Kajan does have teeth what make them look like gearwheels. Arjan