dapur ????????????? help

Greybeard · 16th May 2011, 09:33 AM

I fully agree with Alan and Jean: The printing quality and the paper quality of the book "Dhapur" is poor. In my copy two pages are duplicated and two pages are misplaced, but no pages are missing. All in all I find this book quite useful.

Regards,

Heinz

semar · 16th May 2011, 11:41 AM

hallo guys thank you for the info

simatua · 16th May 2011, 06:17 PM

To kick in an open door: Many information about the keris is lost, and i am afraid some things never come back. To preserve as many as possible i think a noble task is part for us : the keris lover&collector.

Thats why in my opinion its better to mention all things we know, and also mention why we call it like this. mention as many aspects and source of information
By saying notting, information is lost.

Whether its a Fiat Panda, or an Seat Marbella....Join the name game.

About this keris. Nice dapur & pamor, but i see an opening between the wilah and the gandja.....Is there a name for that??

David · 16th May 2011, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by simatua

To kick in an open door: Many information about the keris is lost, and i am afraid some things never come back. To preserve as many as possible i think a noble task is part for us : the keris lover&collector.

Thats why in my opinion its better to mention all things we know, and also mention why we call it like this. mention as many aspects and source of information
By saying notting, information is lost.

Whether its a Fiat Panda, or an Seat Marbella....Join the name game.

How can one ever be certain then that the name being generated is a preservation, a renovation, a regeneration or a complete misconception? What is the guarantee that any name that does not originate from a particular kraton's pakem is at all legitimate, even if it can be found in the writings of respected authors? Clearly what is lost is lost, yet it seems a name can always be found (or created) when enough collectors desire one. So what are the benefits of the name game in these instances? How does knowing the perceived name of a given pamor or dhapur increase our practical knowledge of the keris itself? Frankly i find myself much more interested not so much in what the name of a particular pamor or dhapur might be as much as why that particular pamor or dhapur was chosen in the first place. Of course in most cases this seems to be equal lost information.

A. G. Maisey · 16th May 2011, 10:54 PM

Yes Simatua, this approach that you outline is one, perhaps valid, approach for a purely physical object.

For example, glass paper weights, or kerosene lamps.

However, the keris is not a purely physical object, it is a cultural icon and the physical representation of a spiritual idea.

As such it needs a similar type of approach as does research into the Christian Bible, or Al Quran.

It is the human involvement behind the physical object that is relevant, not quite so much the physical object itself, however, without the physical object, the academic research can be more than a little difficult.

The approach of the keris collector who sees only the physical object can possibly be aligned with the approach of the librarian who sees only the illuminated manuscript, but does not attempt to understand the essence of the holy words contained within that manuscript.

I am not saying there is no need for the physical approach, but in the case of the keris this approach is a severely limiting one.

16th May 2011, 06:17 PM	#3
simatua Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 69	Name game To kick in an open door: Many information about the keris is lost, and i am afraid some things never come back. To preserve as many as possible i think a noble task is part for us : the keris lover&collector. Thats why in my opinion its better to mention all things we know, and also mention why we call it like this. mention as many aspects and source of information By saying notting, information is lost. Whether its a Fiat Panda, or an Seat Marbella....Join the name game. About this keris. Nice dapur & pamor, but i see an opening between the wilah and the gandja.....Is there a name for that??

16th May 2011, 09:33 AM	#1
Greybeard Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 124	I fully agree with Alan and Jean: The printing quality and the paper quality of the book "Dhapur" is poor. In my copy two pages are duplicated and two pages are misplaced, but no pages are missing. All in all I find this book quite useful. Regards, Heinz

16th May 2011, 11:41 AM	#2
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	hallo guys thank you for the info

16th May 2011, 10:54 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Yes Simatua, this approach that you outline is one, perhaps valid, approach for a purely physical object. For example, glass paper weights, or kerosene lamps. However, the keris is not a purely physical object, it is a cultural icon and the physical representation of a spiritual idea. As such it needs a similar type of approach as does research into the Christian Bible, or Al Quran. It is the human involvement behind the physical object that is relevant, not quite so much the physical object itself, however, without the physical object, the academic research can be more than a little difficult. The approach of the keris collector who sees only the physical object can possibly be aligned with the approach of the librarian who sees only the illuminated manuscript, but does not attempt to understand the essence of the holy words contained within that manuscript. I am not saying there is no need for the physical approach, but in the case of the keris this approach is a severely limiting one.