dapur ????????????? help

semar · 15th May 2011, 02:39 AM

thank you mister Maisey

I have bring yesterday the keris for cleaning to a man here in Yogya
and he say the name of the dapur = kebo teki carubuk ????

regards semar

A. G. Maisey · 15th May 2011, 04:12 AM

Another good example Semar.

Dhapur carubuk is listed in the Surakarta Pakem with 7 luk, kembang kacang, jalen, lambe gajah, greneng, sraweyan.

This pakem does not list kebo carubuk.

Harsrinuksmo illustrates a keris with the same features that he identifies as carubuk, but does not list kebo carubuk.

Take your keris to 100 different people in 100 different locations in Jawa, and you could well get 100 different answers.

Take it back to this same man who has told you it is kebo carubuk, in ten years time, and you could well get a different answer.

I've been down this road, and I know it well.

Ask me what dhapur it is and I'll give you a different answer again:-

mahesa giri luk pitu

Just invented that dhapur --- the same as people in Jawa do when they don't know the answer and don't want to admit it.

semar · 15th May 2011, 12:22 PM

oke thank you for your comment kan you explain me what the pakem van surakarta = mister maisey ????

regards semar

A. G. Maisey · 15th May 2011, 08:07 PM

Semar, the Surakarta Pakem is not my Pakem.

In a matter of differing opinions, yes, I do prefer to follow this pakem, because to the best of my knowledge it is the only pakem that is still in existence and still observed by the Karaton which is the inheritor of Majapahit.

This pakem was prepared upon the orders of GKB Harya Hadiwijaya, by Sunarya, an abdi dalem of the Surakarta Karaton working in the Kridawahana office.It was completed on 24th. April 1924.

It came into the public domain about 25 years ago, at which time I had a loan of it for a week or so, and photographed it in its entirety. A few years ago it was published by the Yayasan Damartaji. Regrettably this publication was done on very poor paper, in fact it looks like reduced photocopies ( the original is in a very large format), and with an almost total lack of care, which has resulted in duplications and omissions in all of the copies of this publication that I have seen.

semar · 16th May 2011, 02:27 AM

thank you for your explaining mister maisey so its possibele to get still this copie`s ore the book ??????????

regards semar

A. G. Maisey · 16th May 2011, 05:28 AM

I don't know if copies are still available.

They were being sold in Indonesia, and also in Holland.

Possibly some member more knowledgeable in this matter may be able to advise you.

Greybeard · 16th May 2011, 06:32 AM

Hello Semar

The book "Dhapur" is offered on E-Bay (Bali-Artshop).

Best regards,

Heinz

15th May 2011, 02:39 AM	#1
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	thank you mister Maisey I have bring yesterday the keris for cleaning to a man here in Yogya and he say the name of the dapur = kebo teki carubuk ???? regards semar

15th May 2011, 04:12 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Another good example Semar. Dhapur carubuk is listed in the Surakarta Pakem with 7 luk, kembang kacang, jalen, lambe gajah, greneng, sraweyan. This pakem does not list kebo carubuk. Harsrinuksmo illustrates a keris with the same features that he identifies as carubuk, but does not list kebo carubuk. Take your keris to 100 different people in 100 different locations in Jawa, and you could well get 100 different answers. Take it back to this same man who has told you it is kebo carubuk, in ten years time, and you could well get a different answer. I've been down this road, and I know it well. Ask me what dhapur it is and I'll give you a different answer again:- mahesa giri luk pitu Just invented that dhapur --- the same as people in Jawa do when they don't know the answer and don't want to admit it.

15th May 2011, 12:22 PM	#3
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	oke thank you for your comment kan you explain me what the pakem van surakarta = mister maisey ???? regards semar

15th May 2011, 08:07 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Semar, the Surakarta Pakem is not my Pakem. In a matter of differing opinions, yes, I do prefer to follow this pakem, because to the best of my knowledge it is the only pakem that is still in existence and still observed by the Karaton which is the inheritor of Majapahit. This pakem was prepared upon the orders of GKB Harya Hadiwijaya, by Sunarya, an abdi dalem of the Surakarta Karaton working in the Kridawahana office.It was completed on 24th. April 1924. It came into the public domain about 25 years ago, at which time I had a loan of it for a week or so, and photographed it in its entirety. A few years ago it was published by the Yayasan Damartaji. Regrettably this publication was done on very poor paper, in fact it looks like reduced photocopies ( the original is in a very large format), and with an almost total lack of care, which has resulted in duplications and omissions in all of the copies of this publication that I have seen.

16th May 2011, 02:27 AM	#5
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	thank you for your explaining mister maisey so its possibele to get still this copie`s ore the book ?????????? regards semar

16th May 2011, 05:28 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	I don't know if copies are still available. They were being sold in Indonesia, and also in Holland. Possibly some member more knowledgeable in this matter may be able to advise you.

16th May 2011, 06:32 AM	#7
Greybeard Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 124	Hello Semar The book "Dhapur" is offered on E-Bay (Bali-Artshop). Best regards, Heinz