Kindjal / Qama with gold and silver koftgari for ID

A.alnakkas · 10th May 2011, 07:18 PM

Hah, I copied and translated them already, check my first reply and enjoy

katana · 10th May 2011, 09:09 PM

Great work Abdullatif, thank you

Do you think the date relates to an event such as a battle ...or when the sword was made ...or 'something else' ?

9th of Rajab, Year 1218 is (approx) Tuesday 25 October 1803 C.E.
9th of Rajab, Year 1318 is (approx) Friday 2 November 1900 C.E

The possible Sufi reference is very interesting ....with the mention of Iman Ali can I assume that this sword originated in a Shi'a muslim community/country ?

Kind Regards David

A.alnakkas · 10th May 2011, 09:57 PM

Well, these particular Quranic verses are commonly used on swords + daggers and the date doesnt remind me of anything.

I've seen shia's use kindjals for tatbeer and maybe this comes from a shia community in syria or turkey but am not sure. I remember once finding a sword full of shia symbolism on a badawi arab sword so things travel and gets traded often. Too bad i didnt take picture of that sword, the blade was obviously persian but it had really unique inscription.

Atlantia · 10th May 2011, 09:59 PM

It's beautiul David!
An excellent example. Well done and hearty congratulations

katana · 13th May 2011, 12:07 AM

Thank you for the further info Abdullatif, appreciated.

Hi Gene,
thanks, I'm very pleased with my first Kindjal.

The stamp.....does anyone know whether this is a makers mark ? Could this blade be from Dagestan ? Most of the multi fullered blades like mine tend to be discribed as such.

Regards David

Zifir · 13th May 2011, 10:45 AM

Hi,
The second line can be translated as follows:

Help us, the patron of our order (tarikat) Hacı Bektaş-ı Veli

katana · 13th May 2011, 01:12 PM

Thank you very much Zifir for the translation

Could you tell me the language used ?

Kind Regards David

Zifir · 14th May 2011, 10:48 AM

Hi David,
The language in the second line is Ottoman Turkish. If we take the reference to the Bektashi order as an evidence, the origin might be either Anatolia or the Balkans. Also, I think the date is 1318 (1900/1901) rather than 1218.

Best,

Zifir

13th May 2011, 10:45 AM	#6
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Hi, The second line can be translated as follows: Help us, the patron of our order (tarikat) Hacı Bektaş-ı Veli Attached Images

10th May 2011, 07:18 PM	#1
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Hah, I copied and translated them already, check my first reply and enjoy

10th May 2011, 09:09 PM	#2
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Great work Abdullatif, thank you Do you think the date relates to an event such as a battle ...or when the sword was made ...or 'something else' ? 9th of Rajab, Year 1218 is (approx) Tuesday 25 October 1803 C.E. 9th of Rajab, Year 1318 is (approx) Friday 2 November 1900 C.E The possible Sufi reference is very interesting ....with the mention of Iman Ali can I assume that this sword originated in a Shi'a muslim community/country ? Kind Regards David

10th May 2011, 09:57 PM	#3
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Well, these particular Quranic verses are commonly used on swords + daggers and the date doesnt remind me of anything. I've seen shia's use kindjals for tatbeer and maybe this comes from a shia community in syria or turkey but am not sure. I remember once finding a sword full of shia symbolism on a badawi arab sword so things travel and gets traded often. Too bad i didnt take picture of that sword, the blade was obviously persian but it had really unique inscription.

10th May 2011, 09:59 PM	#4
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	It's beautiul David! An excellent example. Well done and hearty congratulations

13th May 2011, 12:07 AM	#5
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Thank you for the further info Abdullatif, appreciated. Hi Gene, thanks, I'm very pleased with my first Kindjal. The stamp.....does anyone know whether this is a makers mark ? Could this blade be from Dagestan ? Most of the multi fullered blades like mine tend to be discribed as such. Regards David

13th May 2011, 01:12 PM	#7
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Thank you very much Zifir for the translation Could you tell me the language used ? Kind Regards David

14th May 2011, 10:48 AM	#8
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Hi David, The language in the second line is Ottoman Turkish. If we take the reference to the Bektashi order as an evidence, the origin might be either Anatolia or the Balkans. Also, I think the date is 1318 (1900/1901) rather than 1218. Best, Zifir