Kindjal / Qama with gold and silver koftgari for ID

A.alnakkas · 10th May 2011, 07:57 PM

Congratulations. This is a nice Kindjal!

I copied the pictures and reversed them. I liked what i found; from Quranic verses, to Imam Ali praise and Sufi references!

- Translation:

First picture top inscription: Nasrun min Allah wa fat'hun qareeb wa bashir al mu'amineen. Ya Muhammad. Ya Ali. In english it is: Close Victory from Allah and close conquest, So give glad tidings to the Believers (This is a Quranic verse). O Muhammad. O Ali. <<<< is not part of the verse.

First picture bottom inscription: Madad e ---- Tarikat Haji ---- Wali. This is not arabic so I cannot translate. But looks to a sufi reference

2nd picture top inscription: La fata illa Ali, Walla saif illa Thul'Fiqar. In english it is: No Warrior equal to Ali, No sword equal to Thul'Fiqar.

2nd picture bottom inscription: Ina Fatahna laka fathan mubina. 9 Rajab Sannah 1218 or 1318. In english it is: We have given You a clear victory (Quranic verse). 9th of Rajab, Year 1218 (or 1318:P)

katana · 10th May 2011, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

Congratulations. This is a nice Kindjal! The inscription pictures are upside down. Post it from right to left so maybe i would be able to read it!

Thank you very much

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pictures now right side up

Kind Regards David

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A.alnakkas · 10th May 2011, 08:18 PM

Hah, I copied and translated them already, check my first reply and enjoy

katana · 10th May 2011, 10:09 PM

Great work Abdullatif, thank you

Do you think the date relates to an event such as a battle ...or when the sword was made ...or 'something else' ?

9th of Rajab, Year 1218 is (approx) Tuesday 25 October 1803 C.E.
9th of Rajab, Year 1318 is (approx) Friday 2 November 1900 C.E

The possible Sufi reference is very interesting ....with the mention of Iman Ali can I assume that this sword originated in a Shi'a muslim community/country ?

Kind Regards David

A.alnakkas · 10th May 2011, 10:57 PM

Well, these particular Quranic verses are commonly used on swords + daggers and the date doesnt remind me of anything.

I've seen shia's use kindjals for tatbeer and maybe this comes from a shia community in syria or turkey but am not sure. I remember once finding a sword full of shia symbolism on a badawi arab sword so things travel and gets traded often. Too bad i didnt take picture of that sword, the blade was obviously persian but it had really unique inscription.

Atlantia · 10th May 2011, 10:59 PM

It's beautiul David!
An excellent example. Well done and hearty congratulations

katana · 13th May 2011, 01:07 AM

Thank you for the further info Abdullatif, appreciated.

Hi Gene,
thanks, I'm very pleased with my first Kindjal.

The stamp.....does anyone know whether this is a makers mark ? Could this blade be from Dagestan ? Most of the multi fullered blades like mine tend to be discribed as such.

Regards David

Zifir · 13th May 2011, 11:45 AM

Hi,
The second line can be translated as follows:

Help us, the patron of our order (tarikat) Hacı Bektaş-ı Veli

10th May 2011, 07:57 PM	#1
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Congratulations. This is a nice Kindjal! I copied the pictures and reversed them. I liked what i found; from Quranic verses, to Imam Ali praise and Sufi references! - Translation: First picture top inscription: Nasrun min Allah wa fat'hun qareeb wa bashir al mu'amineen. Ya Muhammad. Ya Ali. In english it is: Close Victory from Allah and close conquest, So give glad tidings to the Believers (This is a Quranic verse). O Muhammad. O Ali. <<<< is not part of the verse. First picture bottom inscription: Madad e ---- Tarikat Haji ---- Wali. This is not arabic so I cannot translate. But looks to a sufi reference 2nd picture top inscription: La fata illa Ali, Walla saif illa Thul'Fiqar. In english it is: No Warrior equal to Ali, No sword equal to Thul'Fiqar. 2nd picture bottom inscription: Ina Fatahna laka fathan mubina. 9 Rajab Sannah 1218 or 1318. In english it is: We have given You a clear victory (Quranic verse). 9th of Rajab, Year 1218 (or 1318:P) Last edited by A.alnakkas; 10th May 2011 at 08:18 PM.

13th May 2011, 11:45 AM	#8
Zifir Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Hi, The second line can be translated as follows: Help us, the patron of our order (tarikat) Hacı Bektaş-ı Veli Attached Images

10th May 2011, 08:18 PM	#3
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Hah, I copied and translated them already, check my first reply and enjoy

10th May 2011, 10:09 PM	#4
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Great work Abdullatif, thank you Do you think the date relates to an event such as a battle ...or when the sword was made ...or 'something else' ? 9th of Rajab, Year 1218 is (approx) Tuesday 25 October 1803 C.E. 9th of Rajab, Year 1318 is (approx) Friday 2 November 1900 C.E The possible Sufi reference is very interesting ....with the mention of Iman Ali can I assume that this sword originated in a Shi'a muslim community/country ? Kind Regards David

10th May 2011, 10:57 PM	#5
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Well, these particular Quranic verses are commonly used on swords + daggers and the date doesnt remind me of anything. I've seen shia's use kindjals for tatbeer and maybe this comes from a shia community in syria or turkey but am not sure. I remember once finding a sword full of shia symbolism on a badawi arab sword so things travel and gets traded often. Too bad i didnt take picture of that sword, the blade was obviously persian but it had really unique inscription.

10th May 2011, 10:59 PM	#6
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	It's beautiul David! An excellent example. Well done and hearty congratulations

13th May 2011, 01:07 AM	#7
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Thank you for the further info Abdullatif, appreciated. Hi Gene, thanks, I'm very pleased with my first Kindjal. The stamp.....does anyone know whether this is a makers mark ? Could this blade be from Dagestan ? Most of the multi fullered blades like mine tend to be discribed as such. Regards David