Keris Lurus in Yogyakarta fittings

[kai]

Hello Mans,

Thanks a lot for your input! I was off and couldn't answer earlier.

I was already wondering wether I may need to post some Keris Solo to evoke any response...

Originally Posted by Mans

I think the dapur (shape) is Tilam Upih

So any keris lurus with only these 3 features (Gandik, Pejetan and Tikel Alis) is always dapur Tilam Upih - no exceptions or subcategories? That would suit my simple mind well...

Also the handle and pendok in Jogja style.

The ukiran still feels nice in my hands (which are not too large) although it is pretty small compared to other handles I have. Is this small size still within the usual range or does it indicate an owner of rather small stature?

Regards,
Kai

[kai]

Jogja

On the maps I always find the spelling "Yogya" - is the switch from Y to J due to dialect pronounciation, an earlier spelling, or what?

Regards,
Kai

[Mans]

Originally Posted by kai

.... So any keris lurus with only these 3 features (Gandik, Pejetan and Tikel Alis) is always dapur Tilam Upih - no exceptions or subcategories? That would suit my simple mind well...

The ukiran still feels nice in my hands (which are not too large) although it is pretty small compared to other handles I have. Is this small size still within the usual range or does it indicate an owner of rather small stature?

Yes you right, that if the keris has characteristic/feature (Jawa = Ricikan) of Pijetan and Tikel Alis is called Tilam Upih. If the keris has just Pijetan, can be called as Brojol, etc. It all are name of shape (Jawa = Dapur) of keris which each Dapur has the different feature.

About the handle (Jawa = Deder / Ukiran), indeed that all of the ukiran in Jogja style are small size as nechesh wrote.
And the number at pendok in the back side, commonly, Javanese Mranggi shown the day, month and years of the wrangka made. Not just at the old pendok. So, the 309 can be mean that this pendok made at September 30th.

And, about Jogjakarta - Yogyakarta - Djogjakarta, it all same. it just the speeling.

Regars,
Mans

[kai]

Thanks for your valuable info, Mans!

Yes you right, that if the keris has characteristic/feature (Jawa = Ricikan) of Pijetan and Tikel Alis is called Tilam Upih. If the keris has just Pijetan, can be called as Brojol, etc.

So determining the dapur of blades with few features is straightforward (I have those charts) and only with more elaborately carved blades do we get those difficulties to determine the correct dapur as often shown in discussions, for example on this board?

About the handle (Jawa = Deder / Ukiran), indeed that all of the ukiran in Jogja style are small size as nechesh wrote.

Thanks! I have to admit that I'm more leaning towards the northern Keris styles and haven't paid enough attention to the diversity of Keris Jawa and its associated terminology...

And the number at pendok in the back side, commonly, Javanese Mranggi shown the day, month and years of the wrangka made. Not just at the old pendok. So, the 309 can be mean that this pendok made at September 30th.

Weird to put rather mundane info on such a fairly prominent place. The inscription is also very rough compared to the other engraving (cp. the foliage around it) - I'd expect more consistent quality if done by a specialized artisan... (Even if the pendok were a relatively recent replacement.)

Is there any cultural reason why the day of manufacture would be more important than the year? (Considering the lifespan of a sheath, I'd choose to inscribe the year rather than month/day if there was not enough space for a complete date.)

Regards,
Kai

[kai]

Close-ups of the mendak can be found in the following thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=987

[kai]

With more forumites posting on keris Jawa, I'm trying to fish for additional info on this keris...

No tanguh expected from the pics but any opinions or hints welcome! (Feel free to express them via PM if deemed too speculative/etc.) Thanks!

BTW, I received a small replacement mendak from Alan a while ago but need to wait until my digicam is fixed for showing the current attire.

Regards,
Kai