Knife with interesting markings - Ebay

Battara · 6th April 2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Coleman

The sun and triangle symbol was a common enough even being used on stamps, see picture below.

Now on the subject of the triangle, this stamp shows the emblem of the 1st PI Republic. I think the blade is authentic, but the rest altered?

David · 6th April 2011, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Now on the subject of the triangle, this stamp shows the emblem of the 1st PI Republic. I think the blade is authentic, but the rest altered?

Probably not fair to say that the rest is not "authentic". It looks to me (and of course with not real provenance who is to say for sure) that this is a PI blade that fell into the hands of a 3rd cavalry soldier who then made it his own with the additions. Maybe it was a battle score. Maybe it was a gift or trade. Maybe he just bought it as a remembrance of the time, but i still read that as a very "authentic" piece of history.

Ferguson · 6th April 2011, 04:21 PM

A little more research reveals that the "looped horn" or bugle is the symbol for a "Field Musician" (bugler). The 3 could mean 3rd U.S. Infantry, Artillery, or Cavalry. All served in the Philippine American war.

I haven't found a definitive example of the insignia yet.

Steve

Spunjer · 6th April 2011, 04:48 PM

There's a sun face/triangle on the scabbard as well, so yeah, i'm pretty sure everything is original with the piece. Also remember, the bugle/No. 3 combo could represent a spanish unit..

Battara · 6th April 2011, 06:50 PM

David, I don't disagree that this is a battlefield pick up. What I meant was that the badge was later added altering the piece. It is a Civil War form of badge that was used in later wars, like the PI/American War.

I apologize for any confusion.

Dimasalang · 6th April 2011, 11:40 PM

Agree with Ron. The Bugler badge could of been from a Spanish unit. Possibly captured from a Spanish unit during the 1st or 2nd phase of the 1896 Revolution. Also, many Spanish soldiers stayed in the Philippines after the revolution and switched sides to fight under Aguinaldos military against the Americans.
And if the bugler emblem can be traced back to be American, it could of been captured from an American unit as well. Obviously, many soldiers on all sides were capturing and saving military artifacts from one another.

I would like to think the emblem was captured from the enemy and used as the owners "anting anting". Well, at least that is the story I would tell people.

Rick · 6th April 2011, 11:53 PM

For me the engraved Guidon raises questions; sadly it lacks a number .

Are these not traditionally cavalry flags ?

6th April 2011, 04:21 PM	#3
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	A little more research reveals that the "looped horn" or bugle is the symbol for a "Field Musician" (bugler). The 3 could mean 3rd U.S. Infantry, Artillery, or Cavalry. All served in the Philippine American war. I haven't found a definitive example of the insignia yet. Steve

6th April 2011, 04:48 PM	#4
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	There's a sun face/triangle on the scabbard as well, so yeah, i'm pretty sure everything is original with the piece. Also remember, the bugle/No. 3 combo could represent a spanish unit..

6th April 2011, 06:50 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	David, I don't disagree that this is a battlefield pick up. What I meant was that the badge was later added altering the piece. It is a Civil War form of badge that was used in later wars, like the PI/American War. I apologize for any confusion.

6th April 2011, 11:40 PM	#6
Dimasalang Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 264	Agree with Ron. The Bugler badge could of been from a Spanish unit. Possibly captured from a Spanish unit during the 1st or 2nd phase of the 1896 Revolution. Also, many Spanish soldiers stayed in the Philippines after the revolution and switched sides to fight under Aguinaldos military against the Americans. And if the bugler emblem can be traced back to be American, it could of been captured from an American unit as well. Obviously, many soldiers on all sides were capturing and saving military artifacts from one another. I would like to think the emblem was captured from the enemy and used as the owners "anting anting". Well, at least that is the story I would tell people.

6th April 2011, 11:53 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	For me the engraved Guidon raises questions; sadly it lacks a number . Are these not traditionally cavalry flags ?