For discusion

David · 21st March 2011, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

it looks like tangguh Tuban-Padjajaran based from the pics

I think it would be very helpful to the forum members if you could actually explain the clues and factors that you used to determine the tangguh of this keris from this set of photographs.

danny1976 · 22nd March 2011, 12:57 AM

Hi guys ,

Everybody thanks for joining in the discusion.
I realy have no idea if the blade is a reworked keris , i only strong have the feeling that the blade is old , when i look to te collor and the structure of the iron. ofcourse it can stil be reworked .

Kai was asking for the dress , i think it has no use to show it , it,s made for the keris and ofcourse younger .

Detlef , yes we talked about it by email. one petut is a little thicker and one side almost the same thicknes as the blade . The edges are sharp, but i know keris here in collections in Holland that can be proven to be old but stil have sharp greneng,s and almost no wear on the blade , so...

I can make aditionel pictures when needed , this wil be a intresting discusion
to learn !

A. G. Maisey · 22nd March 2011, 01:08 AM

Has anybody noted the weld pattern in the sorsoran?

drdavid · 22nd March 2011, 07:15 AM

Do you mean this area I have outlined (rather badly) Alan or just the area between the figure on the left side and the blade
Drdavid

A. G. Maisey · 22nd March 2011, 08:27 AM

Yes David that is exactly what I mean, plus the other border of the same material that is above it. Effectively we're looking at an added piece of material.

danny1976 · 23rd March 2011, 06:59 PM

So, can we think that the blade had one petut and that they put a second one
from a other blade on the other side ?

Or did the reshaped it and aded the two petuts ?

drdavid · 23rd March 2011, 08:58 PM

Hi Danny
looks like a large piece of metal has been welded in at some stage. I suspect by the shape that both petuts are later additions. They are not particularly elegantly done. The gonjo is not too convincing either, especially when you look at the relationship to the gandik. I also suspect that the blade profile has been 'adjusted' at some stage. Just my opinion though, i am a novice
drdavid

22nd March 2011, 07:15 AM	#4
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 372	Do you mean this area I have outlined (rather badly) Alan or just the area between the figure on the left side and the blade Drdavid Attached Images

22nd March 2011, 12:57 AM	#2
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Hi guys , Everybody thanks for joining in the discusion. I realy have no idea if the blade is a reworked keris , i only strong have the feeling that the blade is old , when i look to te collor and the structure of the iron. ofcourse it can stil be reworked . Kai was asking for the dress , i think it has no use to show it , it,s made for the keris and ofcourse younger . Detlef , yes we talked about it by email. one petut is a little thicker and one side almost the same thicknes as the blade . The edges are sharp, but i know keris here in collections in Holland that can be proven to be old but stil have sharp greneng,s and almost no wear on the blade , so... I can make aditionel pictures when needed , this wil be a intresting discusion to learn !

22nd March 2011, 01:08 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Has anybody noted the weld pattern in the sorsoran?

22nd March 2011, 08:27 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Yes David that is exactly what I mean, plus the other border of the same material that is above it. Effectively we're looking at an added piece of material.

23rd March 2011, 06:59 PM	#6
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	So, can we think that the blade had one petut and that they put a second one from a other blade on the other side ? Or did the reshaped it and aded the two petuts ?

23rd March 2011, 08:58 PM	#7
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 372	Hi Danny looks like a large piece of metal has been welded in at some stage. I suspect by the shape that both petuts are later additions. They are not particularly elegantly done. The gonjo is not too convincing either, especially when you look at the relationship to the gandik. I also suspect that the blade profile has been 'adjusted' at some stage. Just my opinion though, i am a novice drdavid