javanese keris

Alam Shah · 5th July 2005, 01:50 PM

Keris Jawa, luk 9.
Ukiran : wanda Surakarta.
Wrangka : Ladrang Branggah Persisiran.

Picture of the wood is too blur to determine wood/type of the warangka.

rahman · 6th July 2005, 07:44 AM

Pak Hidayat

Can you pls help identify the dapur for this keris? Is it a sempana as in your website?

Discontinued model? Very interesting...

Mans · 6th July 2005, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rahman

Pak Hidayat
Can you pls help identify the dapur for this keris? Is it a sempana as in your website?
Discontinued model? Very interesting...

Ass.Kum pak Rachman,

Yes you right. The dapur of this keris is Sempana;
(http://keris.fotopic.net/c584030.html)
(http://keris.fotopic.net/c491687.html)

Often the keris from Palembang and Pajajaran (not Pajang as I said before) can make me confused. Keris from Pajajaran and Palembang has same characteristic (Jawa = Pasikutan). Perhaps it can be happen because the places of Pajajaran Kingdom is near with Palembang (just separated with Sunda Straits), so that the keris from those places looks same.
But, the blade of Palembang keris are stronger and thicker (Jawa = Ngelimpa) than Pajajaran keris.

About the wrangka, I shaw the old wrangka with no pendok like this near with East Java style. But, sometimes we found it in Palembang keris. But if the Palembang style, each tip of wrangka bender that Javanese style. So that why I said this wrangka is old (antique) east Java style.

I do not know about the WANDA of this wrangka as Alam Shah wrote

WANDA is mean the specific carving style (not just style). If I'm not forget, the Wrangka Surakarta style has 8-9 Wanda and the Jogjakarta style has 8 Wanda like Ngabehan, Bancihan, Pakualaman, Mangkubumen, etc....

Best Regards,
Manshur Hidayat.

Alam Shah · 6th July 2005, 04:10 PM

The wrangka can also be from Old Sulawesi.
click here for comparison of ladrang sheath.

rahman · 6th July 2005, 04:17 PM

Pak Hidayat

It's interesting that you say this model has been "discontinued". Any reason why? Maybe the empu emigrated to Palembang?

I can't say for sure just how old this keris is, but I have a couple of Palembang blades with similar features -- and I don't think they are that old.

Mans · 6th July 2005, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rahman

Pak Hidayat
It's interesting that you say this model has been "discontinued". Any reason why? Maybe the empu emigrated to Palembang?

Pak Rahman,
The men whose make the Wrangka not Empu, but called Mranggi. The Empu not making the Wrangka

Discontinued, I mean not made again by Mranggi worker. Perhaps the market not too interesting with wrangka like this. I don't know too much about the reason.

But, it's too hard to find the Wrangka like this in "New Made" except we ordering to Mranggi worker.
Here I posted some old wrangka which hard to find at keris market in New Made.

Perhaps you right that the wrangka and the blade are Palembang piece. I just don't know how thin this blade ? If this keris is thick, it is Palembang keris.

Best Regards,

rahman · 7th July 2005, 02:22 AM

Ah! You meant the mranggi... But the wrangka shown could note have been from the 16-17th Century, so someone must still be making it. Perhaps not in East Java but in the northern pesisiran states. Semarang perhaps?

Thanks for the photos. I'm attracted to the Sari Bulan wrangka. Is that from Java? It does look like the Sumatran ones but a lot broader.

5th July 2005, 01:50 PM	#1
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	grammar Keris Jawa, luk 9. Ukiran : wanda Surakarta. Wrangka : Ladrang Branggah Persisiran. Picture of the wood is too blur to determine wood/type of the warangka. Last edited by Alam Shah; 6th July 2005 at 09:13 AM.

6th July 2005, 04:10 PM	#4
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Ladrang sheath comparison. The wrangka can also be from Old Sulawesi. click here for comparison of ladrang sheath.

6th July 2005, 07:44 AM	#2
rahman Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 84	Pak Hidayat Can you pls help identify the dapur for this keris? Is it a sempana as in your website? Discontinued model? Very interesting...

6th July 2005, 04:17 PM	#5
rahman Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 84	Pak Hidayat It's interesting that you say this model has been "discontinued". Any reason why? Maybe the empu emigrated to Palembang? I can't say for sure just how old this keris is, but I have a couple of Palembang blades with similar features -- and I don't think they are that old.

7th July 2005, 02:22 AM	#7
rahman Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 84	Ah! You meant the mranggi... But the wrangka shown could note have been from the 16-17th Century, so someone must still be making it. Perhaps not in East Java but in the northern pesisiran states. Semarang perhaps? Thanks for the photos. I'm attracted to the Sari Bulan wrangka. Is that from Java? It does look like the Sumatran ones but a lot broader.