Help To ID A Possible Philippine Club

migueldiaz · 2nd March 2011, 07:22 AM

Hello, all. At the West Point (USMA) museum, there's two similar clubs to the right and left of the Kalinga axe (pic attached).

I don't recall though the captions of those two clubs saying they are from the Philippines. Maybe somebody has a clearer shot or will recall what's written in there - then that would settle the matter.

Looking also at the war clubs from the Bandholtz collection at the Phil. National Museum, we don't see a similar looking piece.

Perhaps the nearest resemblance of said club is the Philippine rattan club found at the Victor Balaguer museum near Barcelona, Spain. The photo is below.

Lew · 2nd March 2011, 11:35 AM

The clubs next to the axe could be native American since there are other stone headed axes next to it?

migueldiaz · 2nd March 2011, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lew

The clubs next to the axe could be native American since there are other stone headed axes next to it?

Thanks, Lew. Indeed, it turns out. Per attached pic, the one to the left of the Kalinga axe says "Dakota" while the one to the right says "American Indian Club".

Incidentally, the axe's caption says "Luguagan, Northern Luzon". It is actually Lubuagan, which is part of the Kalinga province.

Robert · 2nd March 2011, 09:42 PM

Well folks, you pay your money and you take your chances. This is what happens when you don't really know what it is you're looking at and end up buying the story and not the item.

My main concern now is if this is in fact actually an African knobkerrie did I pay too much for what it is.

Robert

Robert · 4th March 2011, 08:53 PM

The club arrived to day and it has a very nice overall patina and shows good age and wear. The shaft looks to be formed by scraping while the ball end seems to be chip carved, small scoop style cuts. The wood is quite hard and extremely heavy but dry. Can anyone tell me what the best course of action would be in its preservation. Should it be cleaned and if so with what and should any oils or preservatives be put on it? It is raining here as usual so I will have to post any new pictures later. Any help that could be offered on the preservation of this club or on its actual age would be greatly appreciated.

Robert

Lew · 4th March 2011, 09:28 PM

Rob

Clean it off with a soft brush and apply a bit of Ren wax.

Robert · 4th March 2011, 09:31 PM

Thank you Lew. Would you care to make a comment on its possible age? One more thing that I thought I'd mention is the fact that the wood is a lot darker than it looks in most of the pictures. The last picture (of the first ones posted) that shows the end of the shaft is the closest to the actual color of the wood.

Robert

2nd March 2011, 07:22 AM	#1
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Hello, all. At the West Point (USMA) museum, there's two similar clubs to the right and left of the Kalinga axe (pic attached). I don't recall though the captions of those two clubs saying they are from the Philippines. Maybe somebody has a clearer shot or will recall what's written in there - then that would settle the matter. Looking also at the war clubs from the Bandholtz collection at the Phil. National Museum, we don't see a similar looking piece. Perhaps the nearest resemblance of said club is the Philippine rattan club found at the Victor Balaguer museum near Barcelona, Spain. The photo is below. Attached Images

2nd March 2011, 09:42 PM	#4
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Well folks, you pay your money and you take your chances. This is what happens when you don't really know what it is you're looking at and end up buying the story and not the item. My main concern now is if this is in fact actually an African knobkerrie did I pay too much for what it is. Robert Last edited by Robert Coleman; 2nd March 2011 at 10:57 PM.

4th March 2011, 08:53 PM	#5
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	The club arrived to day and it has a very nice overall patina and shows good age and wear. The shaft looks to be formed by scraping while the ball end seems to be chip carved, small scoop style cuts. The wood is quite hard and extremely heavy but dry. Can anyone tell me what the best course of action would be in its preservation. Should it be cleaned and if so with what and should any oils or preservatives be put on it? It is raining here as usual so I will have to post any new pictures later. Any help that could be offered on the preservation of this club or on its actual age would be greatly appreciated. Robert Last edited by Robert Coleman; 4th March 2011 at 09:24 PM.

4th March 2011, 09:31 PM	#7
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Thank you Lew. Would you care to make a comment on its possible age? One more thing that I thought I'd mention is the fact that the wood is a lot darker than it looks in most of the pictures. The last picture (of the first ones posted) that shows the end of the shaft is the closest to the actual color of the wood. Robert Last edited by Robert Coleman; 5th March 2011 at 12:21 AM.

2nd March 2011, 11:35 AM	#2
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	The clubs next to the axe could be native American since there are other stone headed axes next to it?

4th March 2011, 09:28 PM	#6
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Rob Clean it off with a soft brush and apply a bit of Ren wax.