Help To ID A Possible Philippine Club

Robert · 1st March 2011, 10:36 PM

Spunjer,That's what I thought at first too but having looked at every knobkerrie picture that I could find I could not find one carved like this on the ball end. If it is a knobkerrie then I now have a new addition to my very limited African collection.

Robert

Spunjer · 1st March 2011, 10:45 PM

I can't associate any tribes in luzon, or any part of the philippines for that matter, that utilizes clubs as a weapon. Maybe nonoy tan or migueldiaz can reinterate on this...

VANDOO · 1st March 2011, 11:01 PM

I HAVE TRIED TO FIND INFORMATION ON WAR CLUBS FROM THE PHILIPPINES BEFORE WITH VERY LITTLE SUCESS. CLUBS WERE SURELY USED AT SOME POINT IN THE ISLANDS HISTORY BUT INFORMATION AND EXAMPLES FOR REFRENCE HAVE ELUDED ME SO FAR.
CLUBS WOULD STILL BE USEFUL EVEN TODAY AS THEY ARE INEXPENSIVE TO MAKE AND THE MATERIALS EASY TO COME BY SO ITS EASY TO SUSPECT THEY COULD HAVE BEEN USED EVEN UP TO THE PRESENT IN SOME AREAS.
AT ANY RATE THE CLUB SHOWS GOOD PATINA, WEAR AND AGE SO WOULD BE A GOOD BUY EVEN IF ITS ZULU OR SOMETHING IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT.

I HAVEN'T SEEN A AFRICAN CLUB WITH ALL THESE FEATURES SO PERHAPS OUR AFRICAN COLLECTORS CAN HELP GET AN ID ON IT. GOOD LUCK

Robert · 2nd March 2011, 01:07 AM

I have tried to doctor the pictures up a little so maybe someone could possibly identify the type of wood that this is made from in hope that it could help in its overall identification.

Robert

Lew · 2nd March 2011, 03:08 AM

Rob

It's an old knobkerrie my friend probably Tanzanian or Kenyan?

migueldiaz · 2nd March 2011, 07:22 AM

Hello, all. At the West Point (USMA) museum, there's two similar clubs to the right and left of the Kalinga axe (pic attached).

I don't recall though the captions of those two clubs saying they are from the Philippines. Maybe somebody has a clearer shot or will recall what's written in there - then that would settle the matter.

Looking also at the war clubs from the Bandholtz collection at the Phil. National Museum, we don't see a similar looking piece.

Perhaps the nearest resemblance of said club is the Philippine rattan club found at the Victor Balaguer museum near Barcelona, Spain. The photo is below.

Lew · 2nd March 2011, 11:35 AM

The clubs next to the axe could be native American since there are other stone headed axes next to it?

2nd March 2011, 01:07 AM	#4
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	I have tried to doctor the pictures up a little so maybe someone could possibly identify the type of wood that this is made from in hope that it could help in its overall identification. Robert Attached Images

2nd March 2011, 07:22 AM	#6
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Hello, all. At the West Point (USMA) museum, there's two similar clubs to the right and left of the Kalinga axe (pic attached). I don't recall though the captions of those two clubs saying they are from the Philippines. Maybe somebody has a clearer shot or will recall what's written in there - then that would settle the matter. Looking also at the war clubs from the Bandholtz collection at the Phil. National Museum, we don't see a similar looking piece. Perhaps the nearest resemblance of said club is the Philippine rattan club found at the Victor Balaguer museum near Barcelona, Spain. The photo is below. Attached Images

1st March 2011, 10:36 PM	#1
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Spunjer,That's what I thought at first too but having looked at every knobkerrie picture that I could find I could not find one carved like this on the ball end. If it is a knobkerrie then I now have a new addition to my very limited African collection. Robert

1st March 2011, 10:45 PM	#2
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	I can't associate any tribes in luzon, or any part of the philippines for that matter, that utilizes clubs as a weapon. Maybe nonoy tan or migueldiaz can reinterate on this...

1st March 2011, 11:01 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I HAVE TRIED TO FIND INFORMATION ON WAR CLUBS FROM THE PHILIPPINES BEFORE WITH VERY LITTLE SUCESS. CLUBS WERE SURELY USED AT SOME POINT IN THE ISLANDS HISTORY BUT INFORMATION AND EXAMPLES FOR REFRENCE HAVE ELUDED ME SO FAR. CLUBS WOULD STILL BE USEFUL EVEN TODAY AS THEY ARE INEXPENSIVE TO MAKE AND THE MATERIALS EASY TO COME BY SO ITS EASY TO SUSPECT THEY COULD HAVE BEEN USED EVEN UP TO THE PRESENT IN SOME AREAS. AT ANY RATE THE CLUB SHOWS GOOD PATINA, WEAR AND AGE SO WOULD BE A GOOD BUY EVEN IF ITS ZULU OR SOMETHING IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT. I HAVEN'T SEEN A AFRICAN CLUB WITH ALL THESE FEATURES SO PERHAPS OUR AFRICAN COLLECTORS CAN HELP GET AN ID ON IT. GOOD LUCK

2nd March 2011, 03:08 AM	#5
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Rob It's an old knobkerrie my friend probably Tanzanian or Kenyan?

2nd March 2011, 11:35 AM	#7
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	The clubs next to the axe could be native American since there are other stone headed axes next to it?