Naval sword R. N. R.

Robert · 20th January 2011, 08:17 AM

A very nice looking sword. The emblem on the left is a caduceus and the one on the right I believe is a stethoscope. The bird with the olive branch I don't recognize.

Robert

P.S.
I did find one reference to the bird with an olive branch in its beak emblem meaning that doctors should be as free as birds to cross borders and of coarse the olive branch means peace.

Jim McDougall · 20th January 2011, 06:16 PM

From what I can find, the markings stamped in the hilt indicate Sheffield silverwork firm William Hutton & Sons. Their stamp indicates the ampersand is in a shield formed cartouche. It would seem the firm handled considerable material for army and navy outfitting which must have included these swords, which they probably etched as well.

fernando · 20th January 2011, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

From what I can find, the markings stamped in the hilt indicate Sheffield silverwork firm William Hutton & Sons. Their stamp indicates the ampersand is in a shield formed cartouche. It would seem the firm handled considerable material for army and navy outfitting which must have included these swords, which they probably etched as well.

... Meaning this is a silver hilt Jimmy, my man ?

Jim McDougall · 21st January 2011, 01:07 AM

These firms were purveyors of 'fancy stuff'. The markings I located were on a 'canteen', set of silverware made for a military mess. They apparantly handled electroplating and other associated processes in custom work.
Possibly gilt brass might have been handled as well ?

Jim McDougall · 22nd January 2011, 11:47 PM

Alexander, if you're still there you might drop a note to let us know if this information was of any use to you. It doesnt take many words to say.

Alexander · 30th January 2011, 07:45 PM

Many thanks for the information. It very much was useful to me! Respect, Alexander.

katana · 31st January 2011, 11:39 PM

As soon as I saw the bird design, I recognised it as a 'Liver' bird .....symbol of the city of Liverpool. A famous and historic English port. Pictured below is one of the two Liver birds, 18 foot heigh 'perched on the Liver building ...a famous landmark of the area.

Regards David

PS Link between Liverpool and RNR seems confirmed....http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/operatio...glet/index.htm

fernando · 20th January 2011, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Coleman

A very nice looking sword. The emblem on the left is a caduceus and the one on the right I believe is a stethoscope. The bird with the olive branch I don't recognize.

Robert

P.S.
I did find one reference to the bird with an olive branch in its beak emblem meaning that doctors should be as free as birds to cross borders and of coarse the olive branch means peace.

Of course ... a stethoscope

Brilliant ... and effective, Robert ! No doubts left on your interpretation !
The bird with an olive branch would be a pidgeon ... according to Noah

20th January 2011, 08:17 AM	#1
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	A very nice looking sword. The emblem on the left is a caduceus and the one on the right I believe is a stethoscope. The bird with the olive branch I don't recognize. Robert P.S. I did find one reference to the bird with an olive branch in its beak emblem meaning that doctors should be as free as birds to cross borders and of coarse the olive branch means peace. Attached Images Last edited by Robert Coleman; 20th January 2011 at 08:35 AM.

20th January 2011, 06:16 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,670	From what I can find, the markings stamped in the hilt indicate Sheffield silverwork firm William Hutton & Sons. Their stamp indicates the ampersand is in a shield formed cartouche. It would seem the firm handled considerable material for army and navy outfitting which must have included these swords, which they probably etched as well. Attached Images

31st January 2011, 11:39 PM	#7
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	As soon as I saw the bird design, I recognised it as a 'Liver' bird .....symbol of the city of Liverpool. A famous and historic English port. Pictured below is one of the two Liver birds, 18 foot heigh 'perched on the Liver building ...a famous landmark of the area. Regards David PS Link between Liverpool and RNR seems confirmed....http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/operatio...glet/index.htm Attached Images Last edited by katana; 1st February 2011 at 12:00 AM.

21st January 2011, 01:07 AM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,670	These firms were purveyors of 'fancy stuff'. The markings I located were on a 'canteen', set of silverware made for a military mess. They apparantly handled electroplating and other associated processes in custom work. Possibly gilt brass might have been handled as well ?

22nd January 2011, 11:47 PM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,670	Alexander, if you're still there you might drop a note to let us know if this information was of any use to you. It doesnt take many words to say.

30th January 2011, 07:45 PM	#6
Alexander Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Russia, Moscow. Posts: 48	Many thanks for the information. It very much was useful to me! Respect, Alexander.