Niue or Solomon Island.

Tim Simmons · 12th January 2011, 08:00 PM

Fascinating book. Really just an early 20th century catalogue of the the material in the Pennsyvania University Museum, trying to bring some order to the collection of South Seas clubs. Printed 1917 but the English is very old fashioned even for then. The auther is humble enough to say that in some degree through lack of earlier study, oppinion is part of the corp of knowledge. To my mind there is one slight wobble which could be me reading between the lines ie -as the similar form is found in the Melanesian Solomons, {Melanesian may read as being thought of as lesser? than the Polynesian Samoan} it was introduced by travelling Niue people. There is no copyright on this publication. The club in the picture is longer but you can see the form is clearly the same.

P.S. the top script should be second.

Tim Simmons · 6th April 2016, 11:07 AM

Just adding a little more to this thread from the AMNH. Form variation these look heavier.
https://anthro.amnh.org/anthropology...20ST%2F%204519

eftihis · 6th April 2016, 04:39 PM

I have for some time this club, i bought it from abroad, and i believe is a creta sword club, but i am not sure! I see resemblance with these clubs. What is your opinion about the origin?

Tim Simmons · 6th April 2016, 07:31 PM

That's a lovely piece of wood. Beautifully made. Sure it is what you say with the carved sword grip normally covered with ray or shark skin. I would imagine they are not the most common of Greek weapons and a good thing to have, especially when you think of how common yataghan and shashka are.

eftihis · 6th April 2016, 07:59 PM

These are the usual shapes of Cretan sword club (called "spathoravdi" or "spathoverga"). I included the one in discussion.

Tim Simmons · 6th April 2016, 08:33 PM

Very cool lots of them. Lucky chap

More seriously this shows small Islands making weapons form local resources where metals may not be found with ease. One side of the world to the other, when one side was thought of as savages.

12th January 2011, 08:00 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	Fascinating book. Really just an early 20th century catalogue of the the material in the Pennsyvania University Museum, trying to bring some order to the collection of South Seas clubs. Printed 1917 but the English is very old fashioned even for then. The auther is humble enough to say that in some degree through lack of earlier study, oppinion is part of the corp of knowledge. To my mind there is one slight wobble which could be me reading between the lines ie -as the similar form is found in the Melanesian Solomons, {Melanesian may read as being thought of as lesser? than the Polynesian Samoan} it was introduced by travelling Niue people. There is no copyright on this publication. The club in the picture is longer but you can see the form is clearly the same. P.S. the top script should be second. Attached Images

6th April 2016, 11:07 AM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	Just adding a little more to this thread from the AMNH. Form variation these look heavier. https://anthro.amnh.org/anthropology...20ST%2F%204519 Attached Images

6th April 2016, 04:39 PM	#3
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 512	is this relevant? I have for some time this club, i bought it from abroad, and i believe is a creta sword club, but i am not sure! I see resemblance with these clubs. What is your opinion about the origin? Attached Images

6th April 2016, 07:59 PM	#5
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 512	These are the usual shapes of Cretan sword club (called "spathoravdi" or "spathoverga"). I included the one in discussion. Attached Images

6th April 2016, 07:31 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	That's a lovely piece of wood. Beautifully made. Sure it is what you say with the carved sword grip normally covered with ray or shark skin. I would imagine they are not the most common of Greek weapons and a good thing to have, especially when you think of how common yataghan and shashka are.

6th April 2016, 08:33 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	Very cool lots of them. Lucky chap More seriously this shows small Islands making weapons form local resources where metals may not be found with ease. One side of the world to the other, when one side was thought of as savages.