Metal wrapped javanese hilt

A. G. Maisey · 4th January 2011, 02:15 AM

Yes, I was referring to Jean's hilt.

I have not read J&P. It is supposedly reliable, however, this hilt form shown at the beginning of this thread is definitely a Central Jawa form, very probably Surakarta.

It appears somewhat distorted on my screen and very miniscule variations in hilt forms of this general type can indicate different things.

In my experience this is most definitely a Central Javanese form, but I have no idea at all where it might have been made.

Battara · 4th January 2011, 03:32 AM

I must admit that I like these hilts. I love the chasing work on these.

I will also add from a metals standpoint that I feel that these would be made of thin sheet silver, which would be much softer than white metal or "German silver", and thus easier to work and more detail can be added.

Sajen · 4th January 2011, 07:44 PM

Thank you Alan for clarification. The hilt is approximate 9 cm (3,5 inch) high so it is not significant small but dainty worked.

Jose, i will test it the next days but I don't think that there is a silver contingent inside my hilt.

Regards,

Detlef

PenangsangII · 5th January 2011, 05:00 AM

the carving looks Cirebon to me though the overall hilt pakem conform Solonese. The mendak also looks like meniran Cirebon...

Gustav · 5th January 2011, 01:44 PM

This thread seems to become more and more weird - a classic of its kind

David · 5th January 2011, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

the carving looks Cirebon to me though the overall hilt pakem conform Solonese. The mendak also looks like meniran Cirebon...

You have confused me Penangsang....which hilt are you commenting on? Sajen's original posting has no mendak, but it seems to be the one where the "overall hilt pakem conform Solonese". It is Jean's example that has a mendak and this one looks much more clearly Cirebon to me.

Sajen · 5th January 2011, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

the carving looks Cirebon to me though the overall hilt pakem conform Solonese. The mendak also looks like meniran Cirebon...

I am confused as well!

Same reason like by David. Please can you explain from which hilt you are "speaking"?

Regards,

Detlef

PenangsangII · 6th January 2011, 04:46 AM

I am confused as well... that's the problem surfing the internet using small gadjet like a hand phone

aplogy everyone...got mixed up with the 2 great pictures.... yup, the first one is Solonese pakem but the metal works could have been Cirebon, as its often to see Cirebonese hilts wrapped in silver carved works.

The second one is of of course pesisiran type, most probably Cirebon or Banten. The mendak on the seco0nd hilt is meniran Cirebon type I think...

Jean · 6th January 2011, 11:50 AM

Dear friends,

Sorry to have been the source of so many confusions, it was not intentional but only to show another type of Javanese metal hilt on resin core and possibly from the same origin as the one from Sajen. May be some of you were distracted by the New Year festivities?

Best regards
Jean

4th January 2011, 02:15 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Yes, I was referring to Jean's hilt. I have not read J&P. It is supposedly reliable, however, this hilt form shown at the beginning of this thread is definitely a Central Jawa form, very probably Surakarta. It appears somewhat distorted on my screen and very miniscule variations in hilt forms of this general type can indicate different things. In my experience this is most definitely a Central Javanese form, but I have no idea at all where it might have been made.

4th January 2011, 03:32 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	I must admit that I like these hilts. I love the chasing work on these. I will also add from a metals standpoint that I feel that these would be made of thin sheet silver, which would be much softer than white metal or "German silver", and thus easier to work and more detail can be added.

4th January 2011, 07:44 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Thank you Alan for clarification. The hilt is approximate 9 cm (3,5 inch) high so it is not significant small but dainty worked. Jose, i will test it the next days but I don't think that there is a silver contingent inside my hilt. Regards, Detlef

5th January 2011, 05:00 AM	#4
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	the carving looks Cirebon to me though the overall hilt pakem conform Solonese. The mendak also looks like meniran Cirebon...

5th January 2011, 01:44 PM	#5
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	This thread seems to become more and more weird - a classic of its kind

6th January 2011, 04:46 AM	#8
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	I am confused as well... that's the problem surfing the internet using small gadjet like a hand phone aplogy everyone...got mixed up with the 2 great pictures.... yup, the first one is Solonese pakem but the metal works could have been Cirebon, as its often to see Cirebonese hilts wrapped in silver carved works. The second one is of of course pesisiran type, most probably Cirebon or Banten. The mendak on the seco0nd hilt is meniran Cirebon type I think...

6th January 2011, 11:50 AM	#9
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Dear friends, Sorry to have been the source of so many confusions, it was not intentional but only to show another type of Javanese metal hilt on resin core and possibly from the same origin as the one from Sajen. May be some of you were distracted by the New Year festivities? Best regards Jean