Unusual hanger with translation needed

M.carter · 25th June 2005, 12:42 PM

Hello Wolviex,

The cartouche in the third pic reads "Mubarak Bodar", which is most probably a name.

The cartouche in the fourthe pic says "The first of my prayers".

This doesnt sound arabic to me, as it doesnt make much sense in arabic. Probably Turkish or Persian.

wolviex · 25th June 2005, 12:53 PM

Thanks! You are irreplaceable !!!

not2sharp · 26th June 2005, 07:21 AM

Second unusual feature is the blade which is made of 5 (?) wires forged together.

Recently, US knifemakers have been calling it cable domascus. It is what happens when you forge a blade out of a length of steel cable. Perhaps that helps to date the sword to post industrial revolution; the second half of the 19th century.

An interesting piece, from the size of it, it may have been a hunting sidearm.

n2s

ingelred · 26th June 2005, 11:41 AM

This is no cable damascus but a pattern damascus named Turkish ribbon. This pattern is produced by forging and twisting several bars of damascus steel individually which are than forged together to give the blade a special appearence. This kind of pattern is fairly common on old turkish blades.

Greetings, Helge

wolviex · 26th June 2005, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ingelred

This kind of pattern is fairly common on old turkish blades.

I tend to agree with you, because American origin just doesn't fit me this time

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My question: "fairly common on old turkish blades" - how old?

Rick · 26th June 2005, 04:00 PM

This is a pretty poor example of Turkish Ribbon , if it is Turkish ribbon .
I think it might possibly be cable , or an apprentice's first attempt at T.R.
With all of the cold shuts I'm left wondering .

Rivkin · 26th June 2005, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolviex

I tend to agree with you, because American origin just doesn't fit me this time

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Solingen also used to make swords out of steel cables in the second half of XIX century.

25th June 2005, 12:42 PM	#1
M.carter Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 176	Hello Wolviex, The cartouche in the third pic reads "Mubarak Bodar", which is most probably a name. The cartouche in the fourthe pic says "The first of my prayers". This doesnt sound arabic to me, as it doesnt make much sense in arabic. Probably Turkish or Persian.

25th June 2005, 12:53 PM	#2
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Thanks! You are irreplaceable !!!

26th June 2005, 07:21 AM	#3
not2sharp Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 210	Second unusual feature is the blade which is made of 5 (?) wires forged together. Recently, US knifemakers have been calling it cable domascus. It is what happens when you forge a blade out of a length of steel cable. Perhaps that helps to date the sword to post industrial revolution; the second half of the 19th century. An interesting piece, from the size of it, it may have been a hunting sidearm. n2s

26th June 2005, 11:41 AM	#4
ingelred Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Moenchengladbach, Germany Posts: 62	This is no cable damascus but a pattern damascus named Turkish ribbon. This pattern is produced by forging and twisting several bars of damascus steel individually which are than forged together to give the blade a special appearence. This kind of pattern is fairly common on old turkish blades. Greetings, Helge

26th June 2005, 04:00 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	This is a pretty poor example of Turkish Ribbon , if it is Turkish ribbon . I think it might possibly be cable , or an apprentice's first attempt at T.R. With all of the cold shuts I'm left wondering .