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Rick · 16th December 2010, 02:07 AM

The thick clear resin looks like polyester or epoxy .

Hot pin test anyone ?

Tim Simmons · 16th December 2010, 10:14 AM

It has become clear to me that not all is clear as to the construction of this club.
Here are some more telling pictures. I it is best as a couple of reply to keep it simple. Starting with the stone. You will see it is one long stick with a stone held against the long stick. The two are bound together by a plant substance. After binding the club stone is further held secure bya melted layer of tree resin. The resin has gathered dirt and darkend with age. You can see how the colour is still much the same as the tree resin I have melted onto a small flint stone from the garden, seen next to a small lump of resin. You can see how fine the raw hide is, more like parchment.

Tim Simmons · 16th December 2010, 10:17 AM

I do not need to use a hot pin.

Tim Simmons · 16th December 2010, 10:27 AM

Raw hide and leather. You can see that the hide was wet then wrapped around the stick then bound untill drying as a hard cover. What other treaments to this I do not know. The tassel leather part is 32cm long inside the outer hide cover and stiched with a bunched and twisted hair thread. The leather has also been smoked. All very simple but looks high quallity materials to me.

Tim Simmons · 16th December 2010, 10:43 AM

You can see where the inner wrap of fine leather with stitching end under the hide wrap. There is a small step where the thickness reduces. I have tried to highlight this with a sudmge mark. Many of the tassels are very delicate.

David · 16th December 2010, 12:03 PM

Tim, i couldn't see much in that first new grouping so i applied a little photoshop magic to bring out the details.
I'm still not convinced either way. This style of binding doesn't really look like any other Native American pieces i have seen, but it does look solid.

Tim Simmons · 16th December 2010, 05:29 PM

The binding follows the same basic principle as these examples. In these pictures the stick is bent round the stone. In my example it is two sticks, the main long handle stick and a smaller holding stick, both bent to hold the ball form stone.

16th December 2010, 10:14 AM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,876	Good entertainment value It has become clear to me that not all is clear as to the construction of this club. Here are some more telling pictures. I it is best as a couple of reply to keep it simple. Starting with the stone. You will see it is one long stick with a stone held against the long stick. The two are bound together by a plant substance. After binding the club stone is further held secure bya melted layer of tree resin. The resin has gathered dirt and darkend with age. You can see how the colour is still much the same as the tree resin I have melted onto a small flint stone from the garden, seen next to a small lump of resin. You can see how fine the raw hide is, more like parchment. Attached Images

16th December 2010, 10:17 AM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,876	I do not need to use a hot pin. Attached Images

16th December 2010, 10:27 AM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,876	Raw hide and leather. You can see that the hide was wet then wrapped around the stick then bound untill drying as a hard cover. What other treaments to this I do not know. The tassel leather part is 32cm long inside the outer hide cover and stiched with a bunched and twisted hair thread. The leather has also been smoked. All very simple but looks high quallity materials to me. Attached Images

16th December 2010, 10:43 AM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,876	You can see where the inner wrap of fine leather with stitching end under the hide wrap. There is a small step where the thickness reduces. I have tried to highlight this with a sudmge mark. Many of the tassels are very delicate. Attached Images

16th December 2010, 12:03 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,230	Tim, i couldn't see much in that first new grouping so i applied a little photoshop magic to bring out the details. I'm still not convinced either way. This style of binding doesn't really look like any other Native American pieces i have seen, but it does look solid. Attached Images

16th December 2010, 02:07 AM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,348	The thick clear resin looks like polyester or epoxy . Hot pin test anyone ?

16th December 2010, 05:29 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,876	The binding follows the same basic principle as these examples. In these pictures the stick is bent round the stone. In my example it is two sticks, the main long handle stick and a smaller holding stick, both bent to hold the ball form stone. Attached Images